Completely disregarding eveything related to daedra and vivec, is/has there been any precedent of homosixuality (male and female) on nirn?
It would seem strange if there isn't/hasn't been, but that could be justified by the devs skirting around a possibly contentious issue.
What isn't justified is why it would be a contentious issue though, so has anybody else ever read or seen anything that would point to it's at least existence, if not public acknowledgment (in keeping with an admittedly not TES roman perspective).

In Oblivion there's the Fighters Guild Master's son and whats-his-face, both of whom you find dead in a cave:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:A_Bloody_Journal

hahaha
i never did the fighters guild quests

There's at least one man who is bisixual, or even who would [censored] anything on two legs:

http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Crassius_Curio

Vivec. And every single one of his Buoyant Armigers.

I think it's safe to say bi/homosixuality on Nirn isn't as taboo a subject as it is in our world. People often say if you were to somehow relate the political, technological, and social advances of Tamriel to a single time period in our world, it'd be the Roman Empire (this is a stretch). I would say that Tamrielic views on homosixuality and bisixuality aren't too big of a deal, nor were they in Greek and Roman mythology. That, or characters like Crassius Curio wouldn't be able to slip by the ESRB if they were referenced more frequently.

This may not have the connotations that I'm thinking they may have, but have a looksee at one of the numerous http://www.svatopluk.com/xroads/dibguy1.jpg in the Temple of Dibella. "Erotic instruction" is probably an equal opportunity employer.

Tribunal doctrine does forbid the biting of spears and the piercing of the second aperture.

Why, when those are favorite past-times of Vivec himself? o.O

Even that lover of Ilmeny Dren?

Becouse it gives birth to monsters, .

Possibly the original Armigers, but now they're a military group, not a harem.

Edit: Yes, I know that the Hands of Almalexia manage to be both, but they never even leave the High Temple, whereas there's not a single Armiger that I know of even near Vivec City.

That's why you should only have heteroexual intercourse through a sheet in the missionary position with the light turned off.

I get the feeling that six in general is approached much like Elizabethan England: while casual and open and accepting of alternative pairings, don't talk too loudly about it. A sentiment that I actually share, when possible.

through a sheet!?!?!?!?

I think it's safe to say the reason this subject is rarely mentioned in the games is to avoid starting controvercy through brining up contentious real world issues, and I think it's safe to say that homosixuality does occur in the Elder Scrolls world. What is harder to say is just how prevalent it is, and how accepted it is, it is hard to say since you tend not to see people openly discussing the matter, but perhaps this can be taken as evidence that it is not something everyone is open about.

Or perhaps they're so 'over it' that it isn't deemed worthy of discussion at all.

While Tamriel is outwardly similar to "ancient" Earth, in many ways the people seem to be more forward thinking than we are on some subjects.

Well, the sermons also say that the 'biting of spears' is still "practiced in secret"... :hubbahubba:

I'm guessing from the prevalence of non-gendered or hermaphrodite Daedric Princes, and the fact that there's not much gendering of professions (e.g. both men and women in the Blades, the Fighters Guild), gender isn't as much of an issue in Nirn as here. So from that I'd say homosixuality probably isn't too bothersome either. Everyone seems open about six as well - there are a lot of Daedric Princes who are concerned with six or [censored] or just hedonism, and even the more stereotypically 'good' Nine Divines have Dibella (even if the newer games would like to gloss over the sixual side of her). Then again, in some cases I can't see it being acceptable; specifically in the case of heads of Great Houses, who would be expected to take wives.

The last three games don't mention homosixuality outside of the sermons at all as far as I can remember, even though they have a fair few mentions of [censored] and necrophilia :rolleyes: Just a censoring/rating issue, probably.

Edit: er, in case you can't tell, that thing that got censored is the thing that Molag Bal is the king of. Haha it's in the lore but I can't talk about it.

Of course there is, pumpkin'. Just sit on dear uncle Crassius' lap and listen to his story.

I agree with your first statement. Remember that Bethesda is just a business trying to sell a product to the broadest demographic. Most parents aren't going to buy their prepubascent kids a game that has GBLT(Gay Bi lisbian Transgendered) NPCs in it. I mean, it's just a computer game; they can't include everything. Well..... they could, but it'd take over a decade and they would lose revenue and thus, lose their jobs. Funny how money has a tie to practically everything.

I'm sure Fable 2 sold alright...

but yeah, it really just was the actual in world prevelancy i was interested in, because of the seeming lack of gender discrimination, and the fact that they are seemingly very froward thinking in Tamriel regarding many issues.
Have there been any cases of gay marriage? Does marriage occur in Daedra worhsipping communities? i just realised i have no idea about that!

Another that I think that is transsixual is http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind%3a%44uvianus_Platorius :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I think that Bethesda not put homossixual content in Elder Scrolls games because most people are homophobic, and will not buy a game that has GLBT content, and Bethesda will not profit with this. Capitalism influences everything...

Due to mod conflicts between my world face replacers and LGNPC, I have a couple trans npcs in my game (female npcs with male voices). I decided to leave it that way. It makes the game more interesting.

Wait. Most people are homophobic?
That can't be! But even if it is, I fail to understand why you wouldn't buy something because it has homosixual content.
Unless it's graphic, in which case it's six. Not that I object to that. But that's Off Topic.

But I must say, I'd like homosixuality to be punishable by death in most provinces... But I suppose that doesn't fit with lore.

Seems to me like the issue is that homosixual content is a deal-breaker to many people, and it seems highly unlikely that someone would refuse to buy Morrowind on the grounds that there isn't enough homosixuality in it, because they buy it for the gameplay.

If gay rights activists found out you can kill homos in the game, Bethesda would get sued. That is why there is no gays in TES games.

GJ on the "homos" part.