Homosixuality in Tamriel.

Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:33 am

I do think that this can be appropriate enough in this forum, but if it's not, I'm sorry.

But on to the point. In Planet Earth, "relations" between same genders have either been widely accepted or not throughout history. And I've been curious on how certain cultures view homosixuality. Here's my guesses.

Imperial: I don't think they have anything taboo about it. Infact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some cults of Dibella or Mara that kind of "supports" same six relationships.

Dunmer: Don't know about know, but I'm pretty sure it was widely accepted back when Vivec and his buddies were in charge. (Vivec is kind of unique in a way...)

Argonian: No idea whatsoever, just like most of their culture, we have no clue on their beliefs.

Khajiit: Perhaps with the generally laid back mindset of the Khajiit, they probably don't care at all.

Bosmer: Like Black Marsh, no clue for me.

Redguards: Don't know either, again.

Breton: It would probably vary depending on what city-state stands on it. Probably mixed.

Nordic: I would imagine it could be somewhat similar to how some Ancient Greek armies practice it. Have soldiers or shield brother fall in love with each other so they can fight harder on the battlefield to protect each other.

Altmer: Alinor might be the only place where it is widely unaccepted. Given that Mer generally take longer to reproduce, the ruling government would want the people to marry a person of different gender, or else it might impact the population of future generations. Plus the Thalmor might see this as "impure" for their likings.

Opinions? Do you disagree or agree?

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Avril Churchill
 
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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:00 pm

Well, I know Vikings had no issue with it as long as you didn't disrupt society with it and you still had kids. And it wasnt as bad if you took the "manly role". But this is of course not at all real life and Nords aren't copies of Vikings. But they dont go into detail on it to my knowledge and I imagine they never will.

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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:33 pm

I see. I do know that Bethesda will most likely never dive into this topic to avoid controversy. But things that get little references in TES lore always gets me curious.

As for the Nords, I do think you have a point. Perhaps in the battlefield, Nords have a shield brother that does more than fight alongside him. And maybe socially is similar to the Vikings plus Ancient Greeks?

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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:48 pm

Well, if Skyrim is any model to how marriage works, then it doesnt matter who you marry so long as you are happy. I think that this idea would apply everywhere considering Mara is worshipped in every place (save Morrowind+Blackmarsh)

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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:53 pm

I wouldn't doubt the occasional one or two (maybe more, who knows?) Was there. There wouldn't be a reason not to have them be that way. Especially if things do work out the way the Vikings did, although the Vikings didn't have gay marriage, just gay people who were expected to still have kids. And I think they had legal remifications like fines if they did disrupt society with it and had special words for men and women who (ran from the male anatomy) or (ran from the female anatomy).

But if I had to guess for TES nords, I'd guess they'd have no issue with it unless they ever encountered a lowering of birthrate around a time of fighting, which is almost all the time, lol. But nords aren't really known for having low birth rates, and a big difference between vikings and nords is they are less focused on individual villages ruling themselves mainly compared to vikings. So birth levels and population likely is even less of something they'd worry about.

So no I don't think nords would have an issue with it. Not anything more than macho talk.

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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:36 am

I think that in most cultures people are ok providing those that want to have it don't start "preaching" it or forcing it on others.

To me it's no different an attitude to those that want to take their wife / woman up the back passage. What they do in their privacy is up to them but to openly speak of it openly as though others are forced and assumed to accept it causes aggression and hatred regardless of what laws are passed
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Post » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:00 am

Probably not the best example (Or my memory going haywire), but if I'm not mistaken in Morrowind there was something involving this topic involving the Altmer.

Beyond that, I really can't think of anything else. Skyrim/the Nords don't seem to make nothing of it. Hell, despite the Nords distrust of Mer, there's never a fuss brought up about any of the NPC's with Merrish spouses.

Actually, I'd think the opposite would be true. Considering the Altmers thing for racial purity, you would think that they would look for other releases that wouldn't end up with a child, and I can't really see the Altmer making a fuss about it to begin with.

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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:57 pm

Probably like real life where there is a bell curve..some people are outraged and some are very liberal (even ancient Greece had its extremes)
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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:12 pm

Well, we know from Skyrim that the cult of Mara has no problem.
Vivec and his spears probably say something about the issue in Morrowind. Not really sure what that something is.
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Post » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:38 pm

I personally would rather have some text on it. I don't like accepting things based on game mechanics solely. In other words I think that has more to do with not alienating fans then the Nords actual cultural opinion on it, even though I agree I don't think they'd care. But that was for different reasons not related to the marriage function.

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