Homosixuality in the world of Elder Scrolls : V - Skyrim

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:24 am

No, but TES doesn't have world religions, they have the Nine Divines. They're pretty down with the whole sixuality thing, there's absolutely no justification for thinking it's unnatural in a world created by beings that practiced it themselves!

It's a bit like people trying to ban sugary foods in a world made entirely of gingerbread, it makes as little sense as this metaphor.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:48 am

I'd have to say crassius curio always seemed....well anyone who remembers knows whats the word....tip of the tongue....ah "lusty" lol but seriously it never bothered me though I admit at least On inclusion of one npc wouldn't hurt at least I dont think so though getting a romance agreement outta most people here will be like pulling a dragons tooth out like alduins without anistetic in the middle of a battle while he's trying to roast you alive well thats my two cents.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:43 pm

I can think of 4; two npcs and two possible companions. How many did you find?

It was really the way the best companions seemed to be homosixual, the most readily visible characters, compared to the rest. It just made it feel like they were filling a quota.

Still, I felt safer with Arcade Gannon than I did with the scarily heterosixual Cass. There was always the nagging feeling that she might get drunk and do unspeakable things to me with a whiskey bottle.

No, but TES doesn't have world religions, they have the Nine Divines. They're pretty down with the whole sixuality thing, there's absolutely no justification for thinking it's unnatural in a world created by beings that practiced it themselves!

Tribunal don't like it much though. The Dunmer themselves... well that depends on whether you're a Fed or not.

As for the beings that actually comprise the Tribunal, anything with a pulse will do.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:54 pm

They've already done this in the past in a way that was reasonable. Straight or not, most NPCs aren't just running about explaining their sixual history to the PC. Frankly, the suggestion to include 'token gay' characters or otherwise gratuitous scenes just to push an agenda is rarely appreciated by anyone. Anyway, this is Tamriel, not Earth. Is it really our place to tell them how the people of their world should be?

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:45 pm

It was really the way the best companions seemed to be homosixual, the most readily visible characters, compared to the rest. It just made it feel like they were filling a quota.

The ones you had to take the time to go through their dialogues with to find that out?

It took several talks with Veronica for my pc to get that dialogue. I've never managed to get the other guy to say anything to my pc. I know a few other players who used those companions and never bothered to get the dialogue; they had no idea those npc companions were gay. They might have been visible characters, but I don't think their personal backgrounds were blatant.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:03 am

The ones you had to take the time to go through their dialogues with to find that out?

It took several talks with Veronica for my pc to get that dialogue. I've never managed to get the other guy to say anything to my pc. I know a few other players who used those companions and never bothered to get the dialogue; they had no idea those npc companions were gay. They might have been visible characters, but I don't think their personal backgrounds were blatant.

It may have been the way Bethesda bigged it up in interviews, although it didn't take much digging in the dialogue tree with either character. The people of Fallout aren't exactly shy about discussing private information. I'd just prefer if they acted like they did in Oblviion and Morrowind where they didn't make an issue out of it.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:07 pm

I honestly don't really care if they put gays into the game or not, it is in fact part of reality even if you don't agree with their life style. I don't think that game will have much of it though because of all the crap they might get from the media.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:23 pm

Bioware has included same six relationships in their games, as in Mass Effect where as a female PC you could romance Liara T'Soni an asari character and part of your crew in the game. I guess they could say it was not a "same six" relationship because Liara T'Soni was both male and female. wiki quote: " Though they resemble females, at least to humans, asari are non-gender specific, with no concept of gender differences. Liara says her species is "mono-gendered—male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman"."

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:06 pm

I want the whole game to fit with my far right conservative views, if it doesn't then it breaks immersion for me. Come bethesda, cater to my every whim.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:06 pm

No No and No! We do not need it in this game. If people want this in their RPG's then play Dragon Age or Fable.

On a side note.....not just the gay stuff but romance in general.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:29 pm

Bioware has included same six relationships in their games, as in Mass Effect where as a female PC you could romance Liara T'Soni an asari character and part of your crew in the game. I guess they could say it was not a "same six" relationship because Liara T'Soni was both male and female. wiki quote: " Though they resemble females, at least to humans, asari are non-gender specific, with no concept of gender differences. Liara says her species is "mono-gendered—male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman"."

Slightly off topic, but. That's just a cheap excuse, Asari are female in every single way. And the codex in ME1 even called them "An all female race"
But BioWare did have several other same six romances, like Sky and Silk Fox from Jade Empire, Juhanni from Knights of the Old Republic and Leliana and Zevran from Dragon Age: Origins.

If it works out for BioWare in companion form, it should definitely work out for Bethesda in NPC form. :biggrin:

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:37 pm

I want the whole game to fit with my far right conservative views, if it doesn't then it breaks immersion for me. Come bethesda, cater to my every whim.

You must be one of those people who wants guns in Skyrim.

On a side note.....not just the gay stuff but romance in general.

I'd actually like more romance. Gay or otherwise. I'd just like it to stay subtle, like it has been in TES (since we left behind the digitized-80s-pinup era of Daggerfall), rather than introducing the somewhat alien Fallout system of INITIATE six MODE.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:14 pm

It hasn't made it into TES games because it's just as pointless as relationships in TES. No one cares, and it doesn't add anything.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:03 am

The issue of morality/religion aside in our own, I do think it should be included. It doesn't have to be extremely in depth or anything, just have a small % of couples in the game be same six. It doesn't matter to me a lot personally, but excluding homosixuality from media is in some ways a kind of prejudice. People act like why bother, but then why bother showing straight couples or children? If sixuality is going to be acknowledged it's only fair to show some diversity. It's part of TES already anyway(Crassius), just really subtle and minor stuff.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:09 pm

No No and No! We do not need it in this game. If people want this in their RPG's then play Dragon Age or Fable.

On a side note.....not just the gay stuff but romance in general.

But surely it's needed for NPCs? It would be weird if they had no romantic/sixual ties to anyone (especially seeing as there are children in the game).
I'm not keen on PC romances, but I think that establishing different relationships between the NPCs is vital to making the gameworld feel more alive, and I don't see why it shouldn't include hetero- and homosixual relationships (along with platonic ones, obviously).

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:36 pm

It hasn't made it into TES games because it's just as pointless as relationships in TES. No one cares, and it doesn't add anything.

How do people go 7 pages without realizing it HAS made it into TES? Even on the first page it was corrected.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:06 am

umm.... no thanks. I'd rather not have gay, lisbian, or transixual people in this game. That doesn't need to be there. I would rather then focus on making the dragons look way better, or spend the time, money, and space available in the game to make another faction, or to make the environment look better. So many other ways to use money and time.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:45 am

umm.... no thanks. I'd rather not have gay, lisbian, or transixual people in this game. That doesn't need to be there. I would rather then focus on making the dragons look way better, or spend the time, money, and space available in the game to make another faction, or to make the environment look better. So many other ways to use money and time.

What? How does making an NPC gay somehow cost SO MUCH MORE TIME AND MONEY! ? Do you think that all the graphics will be 8 bit because Bethesda is having all their team on making a few NPCs (who would be in the game anyway) gay?

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:13 pm

Surely we do need relationships in order for the world to be realistic? They just need to be subtle, without everyone walking around wearing colour coded badges.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:39 am

I read the first few replies. They made me sad for the Bethesda community.

I don't care either way, but considering all the silly little things that I personally want in the game I can't fault OP for their request. All I ask is that the subject matter is handled maturely. Heterosixual couples are never forced into the spotlight in TES. The danger is that BGS will want to do so with homosixual couples just to say "look, we can be sensible about this! See! Gay people in our game! We're so open!". As long as that doesn't happen, homosixuality in my TES is not going to bother me.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:02 pm

umm.... no thanks. I'd rather not have gay, lisbian, or transixual people in this game. That doesn't need to be there. I would rather then focus on making the dragons look way better, or spend the time, money, and space available in the game to make another faction, or to make the environment look better. So many other ways to use money and time.

In Fallout New Vegas they literally included one line of dialogue that made a character homosixual.

No one is asking for in-depth romances between two people of the same gender or romances at all for that matter. A line or two here and there and bam, variety exists in the game world.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:13 pm

How do people go 7 pages without realizing it HAS made it into TES? Even on the first page it was corrected.

Yeah, and since sooooo many people noticed that one line of dialogue, it added so much variety to TES, right?
Oh, wait. Literally no one noticed it.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:46 pm

Yeah, and since sooooo many people noticed that one line of dialogue, it added so much variety to TES, right?
Oh, wait. Literally no one noticed it.

Read more carefully. The 'one line of dialogue' statement wasn't even talking about TES. There have been numerous homosixual characters in the TES series, some of which have been very prominent in the world. Just because they aren't riding floats down the street announcing it doesn't mean they don't exist.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:09 pm

In Fallout New Vegas they literally included one line of dialogue that made a character homosixual.No one is asking for in-depth romances between two people of the same gender or romances at all for that matter. A line or two here and there and bam, variety exists in the game world.

the way people are talking on this topic that are for homosixuality makes it seem like they want more then one person having one line. I gave my opinion and I am leaving it at that. I don't support it, but I am not going to bash it.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:27 pm

What? How does making an NPC gay somehow cost SO MUCH MORE TIME AND MONEY! ? Do you think that all the graphics will be 8 bit because Bethesda is having all their team on making a few NPCs (who would be in the game anyway) gay?

no I do not think it will be 8 bit. but every little thing you do costs time and money. that time and money could be used to make other things better. thats all I said. I never said so much more time and a lot of money. Don't make posts bigger then they are.