I noticed. Thousands, if not millions, of people noticed.

But okay, think what you will.

The thing about this though is everyone working at Beth is not involved in all aspects of the games creation. You have the team who are doing nothing but working on dragons. You have the team who are making all the dungeons and caves. You have the team who make the cities, the team that make the wilderness, etc, etc. Finally you have the team that make NPCs. So that team deciding to have a few gay couples isn't going to cost anything extra really, they're just doing exactly what they have been doing up until that point, only pairing the NPC with a same six partner in the world, rather than opposite six one.

People make such a fuss out of things. :S

So, you're either saying all NPCs should be orientation-neutral (people say NOTHING about their wives/husbands/lovers, which would be stupid) or that no NPCs should be gay because it would somehow cost Bethesda more time and money.

Well.. Fallout new vegas included it. Why not The elder scrolls?

chill out! I gave my opinion don't keep bashing it.

Welcome to the internet.

... dude, NPCs are going to be given schedules and families regardless of whether homosixuality is included. No harm in making a few of them gay since it hasn't even been done yet.

There is a homosixual couple in Skyrim. They are the only ones that know the location of the fabled Spear.

My friend, who is gay, bought up the issue that he felt games with homosixuality in them (especially BioWare) tried to hard to make homosixuality the norm. Being heterosixual, I couldn't really see it from his POV but if anyone who is gay and feels this way... :shrug:

the orc smith in bliss from shivering isles was a homosixual. he didnt come out and say it but it was obvious. i dont see the point in trying to force this into the game tho. its not necessary and considering the times of the elder scrolls it probably wuld be looked down upon in their society. and i dont want to say gay dragons. sorry man dragons are here to look cool and be badarse this time around. and scary. by making same six dragon couples ur killing that whole element. because homosixuality is hardly looked upon as being scary. i doubt dragons will have any relationships at all in this game. they r presented a little more like monsters then in the lore this time around. i dont see y u have a problem with the lack of lisbian and gay relationships. its not necessary to have and elder scrolls is not based around relationships. i doubt you'll find gay princes as well. thats too out and open and like i said gay princes would probably not be allowed at these times. Elder scrolls resembles a time in human history where there was alot of homophobia. i feel they wuld be going out of their way to include this.

Don't see why people care so much about gay people being in the game, I want just play the game, I don't personally think that it matters on whether or not a gay dude is in there.

You didn't want them because you thought it would cost Bethesda more time and money. People proved you wrong and now you're falling back on the 'it's my opinion!' defence? Wow.

Who's bashing anything? Why are you so defensive? It's a forum. You post your opinion and people challenge it and that's how discussions are formed. Calm down, buddy. This is the entire purpose of posting on a forum.

I wouldn't mind either way, really.
But if it is done, please do them right. Not that Beth. has a problem doing such characters right, as far as I know. I mean if they are just going to be "camp gay" stereotypes then it would be far better not to have them at all.
Though more specifically, I liked how Beth. usually just alludes to relationships, like in Oblivion you can find out that a certain inn owner visits ALL of her tenants at night, or if you follow certain NPC's around enough you will notice that they are having affairs etc.

No, your premise was flawed. Pointing that out is not "bashing your opinion", it's pointing out that the premise of that opinion is based upon fallacy.

Don't really care one way or another on this. Not really one of my main concerns, to be honest. I'll be more focused on the dragon, not the flowers it may or may not be burning.

That said, I don't see how making a gay character would cost more than making a straight one. I just...don't see the logic there.

Not to go offtopic, but that's pretty much how I feel about it. BioWare seem to think that a character not being gay or at least open to it will offend people. It feels like you're being hit over the head with a proclamation of how open the company is. If they they want to impose real world personal dynamics into an artificial world, I'd prefer they do it in a way that actually represents reality, rather than some fictional 'politically correct' reality.

i am not backing down and using it as my defense. and this post below it proves it. It's my opinion. thats the way forums work. if you want me to keep fighting then I will. I don't support gay marriage. never have, but I have never bashed people that do support it. I am thinking that they could use the money in better ways instead of using it for this purpose. I have a friend that works on games at full sail university and he has had to postpone a lot of his ideas because everything you do costs a lot more money then you think it does. I know Bethesda is a bigger program, but still I would rather them use the money and their time to make conversations better then putting in another big idea. If they make the homosixuality conversations like one line or two that would be fine. But the way people are talking in this topic makes it seem like they want a huge add in of homosixuality. this is a very touchy subject and I knew i was going to get attacked because I didn't support it. again I want to note that I AM NOT bashing people that are gay or are for the idea of adding it into the game.

I hate when a company is trying to make some political statements about about something, I just want to play the game, if you want to gay people then do it. Don't be a bigot about it and I won't care

There's been a thread on here asking for a Kinect enabled minigame of ice hockey in Skyrim The Skyrim board is like the iPhone of forums: "there's a thread for that".

You can feel what you like, that doesn't change the fact that creating a gay NPC isn't harder than creating a straight NPC. I'm sure bethesda live in the 21st century with the rest of us.

BioWare even did a entire wiki page for DA about sixuality in Thedas. All of it was very, "correct."

For some people, being gay is very immoral. It was something that turned me off from Fable and also kept my children from playing such a game.

Also I think this thread should be locked, because just like political and religious arguments, this is just going to get out of hand.

Again I have to say, what? You were talking about Bethesda spending time and money making NPC's gay, not gay marriage! I don't care what you think of homosixuals - you were using the argument that you didn't want them in there because of the extra time/money spent. NOT because you didn't support them.



BZZZZZZZ. Thanks for playing. No one said anything like that, or even ALLUDED to it. People were talking about the possibility of having a few gay NPCs and same-six couples, not how they wanted to make the playable character gay, or make huge towns where you can only come in if you're gay. Don't be so paranoid.

Oh please. You can steal and murder innocent people in the Elder Scrolls series and in games like Fable. But oh no! The smallest hint of homosixuality! Can't play those games!

How completely and utterly ridiculous.

Yeah, I guess for NPC's.

If for some strange reason they do add it then the people who don't like it can just murder the NPC's out of the game.