Uncle Crassius is about the most sixuality (let alone homosixuality) I can stand in TES. Anything more overt would detract from the game in my opinion. Sorry. Thank you for the well thought-through post, though.

Gay couples within the game would add to the realism, not so much the immersion. If they decide to put a romance aspect into the game for the player character then there should be no restrictions regarding sixuality and race.

I'm not exactly sure though if thiS is some thing that the game has really been missing. IMO.

Nothing wrong with some romance of any persuasion, but just as a normal part of the world, not in your face like a Bioware game, or every other citizen being bi as in Fable 2. Sublety, please, don't want an Elder Scrolls that feels like I haven't completed it without lisbian alien encounters, but for NPCs, work away.

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Depending on the rating and how much six and relationships are implemented I see this as adding realism.
However if it goes the route of Oblivion by quite frankly removing any overt reference to six.
And making the subtle references like the Sirens quest seem childish and LULz'y.
Then it won't really be needed sorry to say.

If the game grows back its spine, re edits certain books back to their originals, then makes certain character more overtly suggestive in the least.
Than sure it should be in.

So honestly imo it would really depend on the overall maturity and tone of the game.
That said a couple of couples, co habiting a house and some comments are all that's required for this, even if using the Oblivion rating.

Because overtly sixual characters of any orientation should not be included, sure they can be married or whatevr, but if I see smooches between man or woman, man or man, or woman and wiman I'll be pissed

Todd had said that they know Skyrim is going to get a mature rating so instead of making it 13+ friendly, they are going to make a more mature game with Skyrim. So maybe sixuality is something that might be more common like it was in Morrowind. :shrug:

I'm gay and I care a c*** about having or not homosixual stuff in Skyrim.

It's literally impossible for a man to be gay and not kiss everybody. Including gay characters would actually make the game into a deviant six simulator. That is actually how it works almost sort of.

...can you even say he's dressed? :facepalm:

More, 'stylishly nudified'

...can you say that's "stylishly"? :rofl:

Well, that's enough :happy:

Indeed. Fallout New Vegas also http://www.gamefront.com/homosixuality-and-fallout-new-vegas-a-gay-marriage-made-in-gay-heaven/, at least according to some, and how many complained about that? Noone as far as I know.

I'd rather see Bethesda focus on important matters instead.

If it's done naturally like Arcade Gannon and Veronica Santangelo then I'm all for it. I hate it when a homo/bi-sixual character is like "I'M GAY. ACCEPT MEEEEEEE!" :thumbsdown:

Leave prince alone purple rain was my escape

:lmao: I'm stealing that phrase for use IRL. I see many people who are "stylishly nudified" when I go out on a Saturday night!

How would they spend more time adding a homosixual couple rather than a heterosixual one?
If this was Oblivion, then instead of having Romana Faleria talk about how Tertius Favonius is a dreamboat, you would instead have Severius Atius talk lovely about Tertius.

I don't see how that would require any more time than having Tertius heterosixual.

I don't mind at all having sixuality in TES (or any other game that does it in good taste) but as long as it's fiction, it doesn't necessarily have to copy our world's nature and/or statistics.

Personally, I don't really see why it -shouldn't- be represented...


That being said... y'know... it doesn't really phase me one way or the other as a general rule. Given the piss-poor character interaction between NPC's and the player in both Oblivion and Fallout 3... I'm less-than-convinced that I would notice it, even if they -did- put it in.

I loved that film! I'd say that I was a Prince fan but I don't want to be accused of being perverted

anywho, on topic, I don't think Skyirm is being rated M for sixual content, as some people have suggested, more because the violence is grittier and gory

It may be contradictory (being myself gay), but I agree.

The fact why I say that is because I don't really care about that stuff to be included or not. If it's included, it's fine with me. If it's not included, I would feel just as bad as if they wouldn't have included any other random feature, like marrying, have children, etc.

After all, the so-called "normality" that all gay movements seek consists of precisely that; not seeking any special treatment from anybody. Gay parades' addicts should learn that lesson....someday

Either way I don't mind. If they are int he game, then cool, if they are not, then cool

But to answer your question, when it comes to codding every second counts. It sometimes can take days to make code for even the simplest of things and any time spent on other stuff is time they could be spending working on that horse code and fixing bugs.

To make a gay couple would require that they make two new character models for each couple they added. Then you have to do voices overs for them, this is Skyrim everything Bethesda adds will have a voice over I promise you. Then you have to build their house, decorate it, place them into it, give them code, add scripts triggers and what not. All of that takes time.




I also want to add that when I say that, I am assuming that they have already populated the world so they would have to go back and add them in. But you know if they wanted to make a few people they added gay, then as long as they aren't going backwards then no, you are correct it really wouldn't take much time at all.

A good romance is good no matter it's homo or hetero. If there is romance, there should be both, why not. I however doubt Bethesda can pull off good quality romance, because the romance is developed via dialogue and so far I think the dialogue writing is their weakest point.

I agree that lisbian and gay couples should at least be mentioned once or twice. And I don't understand all those "they should focus on other stuff" arguments - it's not like that's something that should be added to all the stuff they're already doing.
How many quests, or dialogues did you have in Oblivion that had something to do with a couple? Maybe 5 or so. It would have taken zero extra effort to make one or two of these couples lisbian or gay. What you're thinking, for some reason, is "there are already five references to relationships, if they want to put gays/lisbians in they'd have to put more in and they should focus on something else instead".
I'm sorry, but that argument doesn't make any sense.

I like that guy who simply says he can't handle any more homo/bisixuality than Crassius Curio. Seems like a very honest statement. However, Crassius Curio was completely in-your-face about it. Some characters like that are nice, but in general that's not what I'm talking about when I say I want homosixuals in the game.

Also, I don't want any romance quests at all. I really really hate those. I'd rather have... "circle of friends" quests? :huh: It's a bit sad that everyone always thinks of romance quests or other stuff for the player when a discussion about sixuality etc. comes up. The general idea is not to allow you to see some hot lisbian action with your romance partner, you can play Dragon Age for that (be ready for disappointment though).
And yeah, circle of friends... would be nice to have one, and that would be a good way to introduce some gay/lisbian characters too. Instead of "here's this possible gay romance partner, oh you're not interested, well then simply forget about him".

Doesn't really matter but i would rather them have awesome gameplay mechanics and loads of cool graphics,scenery,storyline than include six,homosixuality and marriage tbh.