I'd be concerned if it was another company but it's Bethesda so I'm not worried at all.

something tells me they learned to not overhype things after what happened with oblivion.

That demo was out a while before they had the final specs of the 360, and a while before the final build of the game.

The footage we've seen is at least post-alpha.

I'm going to watch out for scripted demos like that with skyrim, like that dragon fight?

Oh come on. People and their "lie" accusations. Bethesda screwed up. Its that simple. When they showed that demo, it was their understanding that everything was working properly. They were quite excited with the system. They didn't "trick" you. They found out that the system didn't work the way they intended (the AI basically went crazy), so they had to tone down the AI to make it workable. Stuff like this happens.

Designing such a system is EXTREMELY difficult from a mathematical and programming standpoint, especially in an open world like those in TES series. It was their first time trying to do something like that, and it didn't work like they thought it did. Get over it. At least be thankful that the NPC traveling and lifestyle schedules was for more advanced than anything we'd seen in an open world sandbox at that time. The Witcher 2 is actually the first game that came along and challenged it legitimately.

Hopefully, Bethesda has learned from their past mistakes. From a design perspective, the things they've said about the Radiant Story system sounds much easier to manage, and they've probably had enough time to be able to beef up the Radiant AI system to make it more workable. Maybe not as amazing as it was in the demo, but I'm sure it will be better than in Oblivion.

Has Bethesda ever disappointed you before? Where other gaming companies are falling into the trend of spawning out games for profit, Bethesda, in my opinion, has stayed true to their art.

Oblivion was a big disappointment. It was still quite good (excellent with mods) but a big disappointment nevertheless. It wouldve been a big disappointment even without the hype most of which was complete bs or wasnt included in the game. Also the dumbing down, streamlining, accessibility and all those things in Oblivion and Skyrim show that Bethesda cares more about profit than art. They want a bigger audience at the expense of depth and complexity that the casual audience doesnt want.

It'll all be fine.... I feel confident that Skyrim will be amazing

shh don't speak the truth you'll be caste down upon a burning pyre, some just don't want to accept this aspect no matter what. and its clear they learned their lesson about overhyping and blabbering on about the game, it takes a little searching to find all the hyping and boasting they did about Oblivion. you can hear Crickets outside while in a building? lol yeah or They realize people on xbox appreciate and can handle a deep and complex rpg without streamlining? ok so why did you streamline Oblivion and even more so Skyrim? which I didnt even believe was possible.

Im not even going to post the dialoge from 05 Im sure many have seen in, expect the worse hope for the best simple as that, people who proclaim Skyrim will be great have no more/less reason to say so then those who say it will svck.


its sad, the only time a fact is indominatable truth, is when its favorable to the believer

How do you think Bethesda is going to manage lying about such BIG things such as non-scripted dragons, have faith in Bethesda they have made nearly 5 elder scrolls now and they have all been phenomenal.

To be honest, what I'm most uncertain about now is the quality of the story behind Skyrim. All that we know about the plot from the official website so far is that "the High King of Skyrim has been murdered," which sounds a lot like "the Emperor has been assassinated" (although "murder" I think is an aesthetically better choice of verb-- it sounds more sinister [no offense to left-handed people intended]). In a series with as little continuation between games as The Elder Scrolls, I think it's important for there to be some sort of connection, or at least a reference, to the events of previous games.
The second biggest unknown for me at this point is the flavor of the characters. There were some interesting characters in Morrowind, more in Daggerfall, but Oblivion was very bland. Although Daggerfall had generic randomly generated quests, I think that a lot more thought was put into enhancing the vibe of various places. There were distinct aesthetic and cultural differences differences between the various cities, guilds, religions, and nobility, and although the graphics are far inferior to those of Oblivion or Morrowind, the posture, traits, and expressions of characters in Daggerfall were far more vivid than those of characters from later games. Even Morrowind had a helpful ancient part-zombie, part-robot-spider dwemer and the rich cultures of the great houses and Ashland tribes. What did Oblivion have to compare? Even the dremora lords were boring.
For all I know now Skyrim could have great ideas for the game itself but still lack in its narrative and stimmung. My hope is that the writers will have fun with the story, and that the animators and modelers won't be too timid.

i happen to recall npc's using potions on harder difficulties. you should try it. and secondly npc's had pretty dam dynamic conversations when this game was released 4 or 5 years ago. Bethesda don't lie.

I Like Turtles!

They will not disappoint us again.

Bethesda has really kept quiet about things. They're not pushing anything really hard, dragons, maybe radiant quests.

Also beth didn't lie in that demo, they just showed scripted versions of their AI, which was meant to be radiant. They real radiant AI wasn't so smooth or smart or even as complex as the demo. In essence it was marketing.

Yea.... Anything we've actually seen video of (which is a lot of the central game mechanics and new things) is definitely going to be as good as it looks... The only time you should worry about features get over-hyped or exaggerated is whenever they're only being talked about like Peter Molyneux with the Fable series. Don't get me wrong, I love the Fable series, but there have been a lot of features that he has boasted about for each Fable game that have never actually made an appearance in the games.

Now that I think about it, I find it annoying they are going with the "The King is dead, turmoil! you are the chosen one!" thing again, Skyrim is turning out more and more to be what Oblivion was supposed to be those many years ago :/.



still I love that they are continuing the Lore and giving a new region, its just annoying how much Parallels there are in between Oblivion and Skyrim

Dead King?? check

Chosen one to fend off Darkness? Check

Bloodlines, something to do with septims Check...not septims but still check


Arena? King kidnapped, your an agent, not the chosen one but an agent travel the continent gather peices while being hunted to break The impostar.

Daggerfall? your just some guy, you end up twirling into massive conspiracies, ups yeah the King is dead but its even more complex than that, Giant Time owning Golem, Lichs etc etc etc

Morrowind- ah your the Chosen one but your not told in the beginning, no dead kings, land in turmoil, up to you the fit yourself in that world and bring change while fighting the Demon of Red mountain.


Oblivion - Dead king your the chosen one, told out right from the beginning, for what? oh your an errand boy, you dont exactly matter, its the son whos the true point of the game :teehee:

Skyrim - dead king Chosen one again, not repeating the sidelines thing anymore, but DRAGONS(honestly this is awesome) more lore, maybe something deeper than Oblivion by all accounts, hints of Shor

Hence the reason why this time around, information on Skyrim has been limited =) they are not releasing any new info until they are 1000% certain its gonna be in game, if only people would realise that and understand why theres little new info... It's a good thing people......

I have seen NPC's take potions in Oblivion all the time.

Actually compared to the demos, Oblivion was a huge disappointment.

You worry too much, OP. Certainly, they will remove some features at the last minute, but it won't make the game any less awesome. After all, these flying lizards aren't that important...