Horse lost its angle coordinates : IV

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:41 am

--Description:
Issue appear when I ride a horse and I (my horse) have been attacked by someone.
My horse begin to move with body "forward part" or "back part" lifted up or lifted down for ~45 degrees (relative to the ground).
When I dismount from horse, it slowly come back its legs (front or back) to the ground.

What can be the reason of such behavior ?

PS: I hope i could clearly state my thoughts ...
if someone help me to understand how to add screenshot to my post, I will be appreciated.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:30 pm

If you upload a picture to a place like photobucket you can link to it here

It may also help to know what mods you're running

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:57 am

I've had this too occasionally. Didn't worry about it since it corrects itself quite quickly. Nevertheless I would be interested to know the cause.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:23 pm

This drives me nuts and has happened for years (basically since I got the game in 2007). I don't know of any fix for it. I've found that I can help it from happening if I make sure to mount my horse on level ground, but that's not always possible. I've actually found the horse doesn't move as well when his head is stuck in the ground either! I'm kind of surprised that the movement is affected by the animation this way - maybe the game has a problem updating things when the horse isn't aligned properly to the terrain.

Description of issue, if you're not following:

If you mount your horse on uneven ground, the horse will not reorient to follow the terrain. He will remain with his head either stuck up in the air if you mounted when he was pointing uphill, or his butt will remain stuck up in the air if you mounted when he was pointing downhill. It makes it difficult to ride him until you find some level ground. Then you can dismount and his head or butt will lower to the ground. However, sometimes even after doing this, he still won't follow the terrain. He'll remain level when he should be rotated to go uphill, for example. I've found the only fix when this happens is to save the game, exit and reload.

If someone knows of a fix, please let us know!

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:04 pm

this has never happened to me...is it a mod causing it or vanilla?

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:21 pm

I'm pretty sure I never got it on xbox so possibly it is a mod.

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:02 am

I have never seen this either, and I've always used horses--so it's likely it is a mod that's causing it.

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:44 am

I usually fix this issue by going into the 3rd person mode (pressing R key), and the horse rights itself according to the terrain. Then going back int he 1st person mode keeps this righted horse angle...

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:16 am

I glad to see i am not along with such trouble.
Maybe answer is near and someone will find out what happens.

___There are mods belong to horses I use:
HorseCombatMaster.esm (from Deadly Reflex 5)
DLCHorseArmor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [version 3.7b3p3]
TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp
IshMountedCombatSpellsOnSelf.esp
Slof's Epona.esp
Slof's Horses Base.esp
Slof's Extra Horses.esp
FasterHorses.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
LadyDeadlock_LoveYourHorse.esp

___There are full list of mods used by me:

Spoiler

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» Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:43 am

I had this problem a while ago, however not when mounted on a horse but rather horses you occasionally come across outside a city gate or in the wild. Looked like the horse was doing a 45 degree hand stand (hoof stand?)

- I was using slofs horses base and extra horses at the time, since switching to using espless horses http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27675 and not using the esp's from slofs horses but just the textures... I have not had the problem occuring.

I dont know for certain if its slofs esp's which may be conflicting with something else, (the only potential conflict IIRC for me at the time which changed vanilla horses in some way was T.I.E.) but the above worked for me, and I am still running T.I.E.

Edit: Heres the gamesas link for convenience and a better description http://www.gamesas.com/?showtopic=1047436

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:48 pm

I'm also using ESPless horse replacer and I have the problem when riding the horse, as I described previously. However I have to keep the esp from Slof's for Ulrim's. I might have a look and see if I can disable it now that Ulrim's is installed... (Ulrim's configures a custom plugin based on the plugins you have loaded when you install it).

Here are my horse mods:

DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor-Unofficial Patch.esp
Slofs Horses Base.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
Ulrims Horses.esp

ESPless Horse Replacer

I've also seen horses in pastures colliding with one another - one horse would appear to be intersecting with another :wacko: I don't think I've seen them doing hoofstands, but I've seen them standing on top of fences - very agile, Oblvion's horses are

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:10 am

I've also seen horses in pastures colliding with one another - one horse would appear to be intersecting with another :wacko:

Horses will sometimes put their heads across another's back when at pasture ... I sometimes wonder if this was an attempt (which didn't come off so well) by OB devs to replicate this behavior.

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:00 am

Horses will sometimes put their heads across another's back when at pasture ... I sometimes wonder if this was an attempt (which didn't come off so well) by OB devs to replicate this behavior.

That'd be nice, but I think in this case it's just a rendering problem. It will happen with the player horse too and it makes mounting him fun

I usually manage to mount him and have to get him to jump to get himself extricated from the other horse...

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:48 am

It seems I found the ANSWER !!!

When i disable mod "Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp" (ver. 3.2) my horse issue is gone.

I can't explain why but it works !

I am very proud of myself.

I have spent a half of the day finding it out.

» Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:31 am

It seems I found the ANSWER !!!

When i disable mod "Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp" (ver. 3.2) my horse issue is gone.

I can't explain why but it works !

I am very proud of myself.

I have spent a half of the day finding it out.

O_o Well theres a thought, a possible other weird effect of Duke Patricks Combat Archery, it has been known to have strange effects on a fair few mods and resolving them is just down to luck or a slow process of elimination sometimes, not Spooky's fault of course he does not use other mods, but regards horses I think there have been problems before I just didn't associate this one.

Well thats tipped the balance for me, I have been using it for quite a while and its been the source of quite a few problems over time which you cannot redress if using other mods, and to be honest I have been considering experiencing T.I.E without Combat Archery for a while. Going to try dropping Spooky mods and put slofs esps back for more diversity of horses and see how things go.

If I get any problems will post back within the next few days, if not you can assume I have no problem with slofs and dropping Combat Archery did the trick for me too.