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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:24 pm

So why is House Dagoth known as the "House unmourned?".

The Houses were formed when Boethiah and Mephala said to the Dunmer, "lets have some fun." Same with the Morag Tong.

I know Nerevar's link to House Indoril. I simply think, by the events of Morrowind it is a corruption of what it once was. Taken over/inherited, and used by Almalexia and the Ordinators for thousands of years. Almalexia was his wife, too. Some would argue that is was corrupted that way. Probably so, really. As such, it lost it's place in the prophecy that the Nerevarine had to fit into.

But that's simply apologetics.


A more practical reason: Vvardenfell is quarantined from the Mainland due to the Blight. Given the extremity of the threat Dagoth Ur posed and the distance from Vvardenfell to the Mainland, it simply would have taken too much time to bypass the quarantine and travel all across the mainland to get the support of the other Houses. Time was of the essence, and since Dagoth Ur was on Vvardenfell and not the mainland, it makes sense that you'd confine yourself to Vvardenfell and not stray far from the source of the problem.

And yes, I realize that you could teleport to the mainland in Tribunal. But only one person on the island can do it for you, and even though for gameplay's sake it wasn't that hard to get her to teleport you in spite of the quarantine, I'd imagine that in reality it'd be damn near impossible to convince her to do so.

That's how I view the situation, anyway. :shrug:
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:51 am

Wait, it was quarantined? Where did you get that? (admittedly, it has been quite a while since I played Morrowind...)
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:19 pm

Wait, it was quarantined? Where did you get that? (admittedly, it has been quite a while since I played Morrowind...)

Asciene Rane makes note of it shortly before teleporting you to Mournhold. That's all the information we have. In truth it's nonsense. When you consider the large number of exports from Vvardenfell a full-scale quarantine would be impractical. I rationalize it as a medical check required to enter Mournhold, rather than a true quarantine on either of them.
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:27 pm

It's not nonsense. You don't export people when you export goods.

And Vvardenfell is not a treasurehouse. It wouldn't be impractical to have it quarantined at all, seeming that it has been Temple property for a couple of thousand years or so. The Imperial practice of exporting whatever the Emperor's cronies lay their eyes on is the only justifiable reason why the Empire has bothered stationing itself on parts of the island.
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:14 am

So why is House Dagoth known as the "House unmourned?".

The Houses were formed when Boethiah and Mephala said to the Dunmer, "lets have some fun." Same with the Morag Tong.

I know Nerevar's link to House Indoril. I simply think, by the events of Morrowind it is a corruption of what it once was. Taken over/inherited, and used by Almalexia and the Ordinators for thousands of years. Almalexia was his wife, too. Some would argue that is was corrupted that way. Probably so, really. As such, it lost it's place in the prophecy that the Nerevarine had to fit into.

But that's simply apologetics.

I suppose it's called the house unmourned because of its bad reputation now and then, dagoth ur basically being the "devil" within the temple and during the battle of red mountain they allied to dwemer
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:18 pm

It's not nonsense. You don't export people when you export goods.

And the crews of the ships? The dockworkers, which have to load and unload goods? There is interaction of people, which is enough for a disease to possible spread.

The Imperial practice of exporting whatever the Emperor's cronies lay their eyes on is the only justifiable reason why the Empire has bothered stationing itself on parts of the island.

One word: Ebony.



I do agree with Wolf101 though. I don't think it's a full scale quarantine, impracticality and all. However, since Vvardenfell indeed was Temple territory until just about a little more than a decade (IIRC 3E414) before the events around the Nerevarine, I suppose despite the Empire's interest in Ebony, trade would still be on a scale that can be more or less controlled, regarding disease/quarantine.
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:59 am

It's not nonsense. You don't export people when you export goods.

Did you snooze through the bird flu panic?

The Great Houses date back to the First Council War.
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:54 am

Im a lore noob but i remember reading something like...

House indoril equals ordinators of Vivec or them in general.
Dres and Hlaalu are close to eachother
Hlaalu, Redoran and Telvanni are the three main houses at the moment
The dwemer were of a house too and the sixth house is where Dagoth Ur belonged.

Im just blabbering halfmindedly. But there are six houses all along. Five after the dwemer went boom.
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:02 pm

No, the Sixth House was House Dagoth. The Dwemer were a seperate race. Maybe there was a reference to "House Dwemer", though. Yeah, I seem to recall that...

EDIT: Yeah, Ayron refers to the Dwemer as "House Dwemer" during the MW MQ. Still, that's not meant to be taken literally - the Dwemer were not a Chimer Great House. The Sixth House was House Dagoth.
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:43 pm

Im a lore noob but i remember reading something like...

House indoril equals ordinators of Vivec or them in general.
Dres and Hlaalu are close to eachother
Hlaalu, Redoran and Telvanni are the three main houses at the moment
The dwemer were of a house too and the sixth house is where Dagoth Ur belonged.

Im just blabbering halfmindedly. But there are six houses all along. Five after the dwemer went boom.


Not quite, but close.

All the 5 Houses were important at the time of Morrowind. Hlaalu is arguably strongest (Indoril could be stronger) while Redoran is argueably the weakest. The Ordinators are of House Indoril, as most of Indoril are religious fanatics, and the Temple is pretty much controlled by them, just as the monarchy is contolled by Hlaalu. Dres and Hlaalu didn't become close until after the events of Morrowind. House Dagoth was the sixth house and it's leader was none other that our friend Voryn Dagoth. The Dwemer were a different race altogether, but are apparantly considered a House during the First Council.
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Post » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:37 pm

Did you snooze through the bird flu panic?


No, but point taken.

IIRC the Bird Flu Panic was hyped over by the possibility of long-distance infection, with planes as a primary mode of transporting vectors. Seeming that teleportation is banned or negated somehow, I deduce that it is a serious situation. Still, didn't stop the market exporting whatever got them the money. East Empire Company, *cough cough*

That is, if you equate teleportation to aeroplanes.

- and Ebony was what I was getting at, Nalion.
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