Hortator : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:42 am

I know what the Nerevarine is, the reincarnation of Indoril Nerevar, but what is a Hortator, because the Aedra Azura says I'm now a Hortator. What is that exactly?

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:54 pm

The War Leader of Dunmer Great Houses.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:38 pm

And in real life, the guy who beats the drum on a galley to keep the rowers in rhythm.

He exhort you real good.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:34 pm

But I didnt join a Great House??

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:00 am

But I didnt join a Great House??

Nah, you just lead them all in a time of war. Unless you want to join one, otherwise, you are the houseless guy leading the houses in a time of war. Also, Azura is not an aedra, she is actually a daedric prince.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:13 pm

Oh okay then... thanks for the info... :shrug:

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:54 pm

It's part of the prophetic mold your Mary Sue gotta fit into to make those picky Ashlanders believe you. Just happens that they were correct all along.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:41 pm

Curiously, out of five Great Houses, he only had to be the Hortator of three. I wonder if it was one of those "majority of the Houses" thing, although for each house, the vote must be unanimous.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:54 am

A Daedric Prince?? I thought she was an Aedra! What -- I read somewhere she was an Aedra. I thought the differences of an Aedra and Daedra were Good and Evil... Im CunFooZ'd now :confused:

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:49 pm

Curiously, out of five Great Houses, he only had to be the Hortator of three. I wonder if it was one of those "majority of the Houses" thing, although for each house, the vote must be unanimous.

Could be game mechanics, majority of the houses like you said, or you were just horator of the district of Vvardenfell :shrug:

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:08 pm

I call BS- gameplay variety.
This is another 'Tribunal before Vvardenfell MQ' sort of thing.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:06 pm

Probably it's since Vvardenfell is the arena of importance, and the three Houses of Vvardenfell are therefore important.

Another reason may be that Dres and Indoril are newer creations that arose during Tribunal Morrowind, and are not tied to the Battle of Red Mountain and so are not connected to the Nerevarine's echoing of that battle at the end of Morrowind MQ.

Otherwise, it's just because they couldn't build all of Morrowind in the time they had.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:25 pm

A Daedric Prince?? I thought she was an Aedra! What -- I read somewhere she was an Aedra. I thought the differences of an Aedra and Daedra were Good and Evil... Im CunFooZ'd now :confused:

Then take this opportunity to brush up on your lore regarding http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Daedra and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Aedra. Rather than thinking the Aedra and Daedra as "good" and "evil" -- which is erroneous -- think of them more like "stasis" and "change", respectively.

Or: Aedra are boring, Daedra are exciting!

bliviongate:

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:43 am

Nah, you just lead them all in a time of war. Unless you want to join one, otherwise, you are the houseless guy leading the houses in a time of war. Also, Azura is not an aedra, she is actually a daedric prince.

Ahem, I believe you mean princess. Anyhow, she is pretty friendly so doesn't that qualify her as an aedra? Isn't friendliness the only difference between aedra and daedra?

EDIT - NEVERMIND SOMEONE JUST ANSWERED THAT ABOVE ME

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:58 am

Or: Aedra are boring, Daedra are exciting!

bliviongate:

Then I clearly didn't write the Aedra article well enough.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:49 pm

Ahem, I believe you mean princess.

Technically, it really is Daedric Prince. They are genderless - for instance, you'll notice Boethia is sometimes refered to as female and other times refered to as male. Some Princes, for whatever reasons, choose a gender consistently. Some, you just can't discern the gender -- such as Peryite and Hermaeus Mora

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:56 pm

Ahem, I believe you mean princess. Anyhow, she is pretty friendly so doesn't that qualify her as an aedra? Isn't friendliness the only difference between aedra and daedra?

EDIT - NEVERMIND SOMEONE JUST ANSWERED THAT ABOVE ME

No, she's a daedric prince, not princess, nor are there any kings. The daedra are by and large genderless, for it is known that they can change when they feel like it. And the prince part is more of a title of power and nature, something like that.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:36 pm

Then I clearly didn't write the Aedra article well enough.

Article?

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:28 am

Article?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Aedra
Okay, so I mostly just added a few sentences and deleted the stuff that sounded more like Eragon than ES.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:52 am

Another reason may be that Dres and Indoril are newer creations that arose during Tribunal Morrowind, and are not tied to the Battle of Red Mountain and so are not connected to the Nerevarine's echoing of that battle at the end of Morrowind MQ.

Er, Nerevar is Indoril Nerevar...of House Indoril. And all the Great Houses are descendants of the ancient Ashlander tribes, right? So, I'm pretty sure none arose during the time of the Tribunal.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:06 pm

Er, Nerevar is Indoril Nerevar...of House Indoril. And all the Great Houses are descendants of the ancient Ashlander tribes, right? So, I'm pretty sure none arose during the time of the Tribunal.

Oooh, good one spotting that! :goodjob: Good point, too. In Oblivion, one of the rumors the NPCs blab about is how House Indoril and House Dres are in ruins. Perhaps they are in such a state of deterioration during TES III that they have little-to-no political impact as far as leading armies against Dagoth Ur goes. I must admit, I am curious now as to why Dres and Indoril are left out of the Hortator equation...

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:47 pm

Oooh, good one spotting that! :goodjob: Good point, too. In Oblivion, one of the rumors the NPCs blab about is how House Indoril and House Dres are in ruins. Perhaps they are in such a state of deterioration during TES III that they have little-to-no political impact as far as leading armies against Dagoth Ur goes. I must admit, I am curious now as to why Dres and Indoril are left out of the Hortator equation...

Actually, it's Redoran and Indoril that is falling apart. Dres and Hlaalu are doing great, both are economical houses, except that Dres is heavy on the slave part. Reason why we did not need to get their approval, they were not included in MW most likely, so that comes down to game mechanics.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:39 pm

Reason why we did not need to get their approval, they were not included in MW most likely, so that comes down to game mechanics.

True. The same goes for the reason why the Nerevarine didn't need to win over the Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni councilors residing in the mainland.

Either that or because the blight and Dagoth Ur's rise to power were most immediately felt in Vvardenfell, so only the Houses on the island needed to be convinced. :shrug:

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:56 pm

Then take this opportunity to brush up on your lore regarding http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Daedra and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Aedra. Rather than thinking the Aedra and Daedra as "good" and "evil" -- which is erroneous -- think of them more like "stasis" and "change", respectively.

That is a wrong thinking as well. There are anuic Daedra as well as padomaic (I have no idea whether I'm using those terms correctly or not, by the way, or their spelling) aedra. Another way to see it is that Aedra were involved in the creation of the world, while the Daedra weren't, but there are exeption to that theory as well.

I must admit, I am curious now as to why Dres and Indoril are left out of the Hortator equation...

http://www.elderscrolls.com/tenth_anniv/tenth_anniv-morrowind.htm.

» Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:59 pm

Er, Nerevar is Indoril Nerevar...of House Indoril. And all the Great Houses are descendants of the ancient Ashlander tribes, right? So, I'm pretty sure none arose during the time of the Tribunal.

So why is House Dagoth known as the "House unmourned?".

EDIT: The origins of the Houses were formed when Boethiah and Mephala decided to have some fun with the Dunmer. Same with the Morag Tong. Paws's point is the right, specifically speaking.

I know Nerevar's link to House Indoril. I simply think, by the events of Morrowind it is a corruption of what it once was. Taken over/inherited, and used by Almalexia and the Ordinators for thousands of years. Almalexia was his wife, too. Some would argue that is was corrupted that way. Probably so, really. As such, it lost it's place in the prophecy that the Nerevarine had to fit into.

But that's simply apologetics.