How come there is no diplomatic solution for the BOS for Mr.house I mean really I hate that I half to kill them all to ide with mr.house and i know from the fallout wiki that there originally was a speech check for you to spare them idk if this was intentional or if this is a glitch but i want that speech check back or something I dont half to kill them off.

What do you guys think?





Also if anybody from Bethesda or even Obsidian is reading this I hope you change this. Thank You

I have to agree it's a bit of an annoyance and most people start with the house play through so people generally only see them when there blowing them up shamez.

I think Yes Man said it quite nicely.

"I don't think the Brotherhood would approve of an army of robots controlling everything!"
Or something like that...

Tbh i think under elder McNamara (the original elder when you start the game)i think he would be able to tolerate it considering he knows what it feels like having you're rectum wiped.So i doubt he would start an all out war especially considering he has about 20 people.

Quoting Mr.House regarding his thoughts about the BOS

"They are ridiculous"

Also, they destroyed a securitron of his

Given time they most certainly would, and they'd begin working against House and his interests before they could stand toe to toe with him. Guerilla warfare, covert operations etc. The Brotherhood is more than capable of these things. They would be nothing but an enemy to House, especially due to their strict dogma and fierce traditionalism.

That's when I began loving House.

I doubt the brotherhood would be able to get to a size big enough to do such things especially considering there no waste landers policy.

You can carry out guerilla warfare with a small amount of people. Especially if they were as well equipped as Brotherhood soldiers. They're an enemy, they'll stand in his way so he wants them destroyed so he doesn't have to worry about them. Perfectly understandable and a matter of course.

House sees the BoS as a problem that will have to be dealt with sooner or later - why not go ahead and deal with the problem now, while he has the Courier to do his dirty work, and before the BoS has a chance to grow stronger and become even more of a threat?

Unless the Mojave Chapter find an army of robots, I don't think this is going to happen.

I think it's Mr. House's take on the BOS that makes him a POS. Actually, it's not so much his "take" on them as it is his refusal of the courier's suggestions. I really don't give a [censored] what House's reasons are, if I have 100 Speech, I should be able to talk him into doing *anything* I want him to do.

What you should do is, after failing to convince House to let the BOS live, turn around, get yourself into his private little sanctuary, and personally deliver his one-way ticket to Hell.

(The way it should have been done is, go ahead and let the courier talk House into an alliance. Then, in the ending slides, they can have their stupid little spat or whatever. Maybe the BOS causes problems just like the Vault 19 Powder Gangers. The alliance doesn't have to result in a happy ending.)

You're kidding me right?

House ABSOLUTELY insisting on the BoS being wiped out is the most logical thing in the world. This is a group of people that are convinced that only they are fit to hold technology, that refuse to accept any new members (unless under VERY special circumstances) and are driving themselves into their own grave due to their refusal to let others own technology and their refusal to deal or negotiate with anyone else. It's perfectly logical and quite realistic that the man would, under no circumstances, trust the BoS anywhere near his securitrons or get along with them. House focuses on technological advancement and progress, the Brotherhood of Steel focuses on hording old technology and keeping to themselves, NOT producing technology.

Saying House should be able to be convinced to let the Brotherhood of Steel live is like saying the Enclave should be able to be convinced to start recruiting super mutants; it goes against everything they stand for.
If anyone should be able to forge an alliance with the Brotherhood, it's Caesar's Legion. Caesar's Legion barely uses technology and often shuns it, the Brotherhood often fights with groups that utilize technology. They go together perfectly, cept for the whole Caesar's Legion wanting to assimilate everyone part...

I don t care if he would have changed his mind or not, the problem I had was I had no option to even tell him I wasn t going to do it. Then at that moment NCR is done with you, so you have kill Housd and bring in that abortion of an ending Yes Man. Housd asks you why you r going to kill him and you can t even tell him. I couldn t tell a man that asked why I was going to kill him. Just not right.......

The wonderful world of 82 endings all rolled up into one.

They should add option similar to NCR quest where:
1) If I helped Paladin Hardin, then there is no way I can convince Mr. House to spare them
2) If I helped Elder McNamara, then I can convince Mr. House not to say allied with them but at least spare them

There are only 2 things in NV which make me feel guilty, one is kill Mr. House in NCR quest line, another is eliminate BoS in Mr. House quest line.

As for Caesar's legion and Yes Man quest line...it is good to be bad

Talk to him a bit and hell tell you why he hates them, He just hates hot they prounce around looking for onld tec in there armor.

It would be hard to believe that you could lie to Mr.House about taking out the BoS. Others have already give evidence that Mr.House does not want the Bos around and BoS would not Mr.House around.

That's exactly how my first run ended up.....he demanded I kill the BoS, never mind I'm already a Paladin, once I figured out he wasn't going to change his mind I used my Lucky 38 passcard and went and killed him, then swtiched to Yes-Man.

To be honest, why is this everyones breaking point for working with House? A lot of people are acting as if he wants you to blow up an orphanage or something. They're just the Brotherhood.

Exactly, people feel bad because they don't want to kill the BoS and yet can't go back to working with the NCR? Well... tough basically. You invested in House so either follow it through or don't. The NCR know that you clearly consider House better than them so they don't care if you defect; live by your decisions people, why does everything have to be so open and reversable.

@Saintly, I agree, why is most people's "line in the sand", as it were, the [censored] Brotherhood? I can only assume that some people don't know what the West-Coast Brotherhood are all about, I mean they're arseholes, they killed a lot of innocent NCR soldiers, doesn't that bother you? They caused a massive economic crisis when they destroyed NCR gold, think of all the war widows (courtesy of the Brotherhood) who's money now isn't worth [censored] and all the kids that they won't be able to feed; think of the children!

Of course the Brotherhood should be destroyed. They already destroyed some Securitrons for the hell of it, they can be expected to try something when House is in power. They're pretty much an evil organization, some of their endings even turns them into heavily-armed raiders attacking for technology. This combined with their obsession with any and all pre-war tech, including House's robots, makes them an inevitable enemy.

No. Not "exactly".

I do NOT feel bad about killing the BOS. This has absolutely nothing to do with sympathy for the Brotherhood.

My problem is (again):

House won't [censored] listen to me. That's it. That's the size of the problem. The long and short of it. My ridiculous skill in Speech should allow me to convince him of ANY.THING.

Speech 100. House can't be convinced. THAT is the problem here. It doesn't matter what his motives are. It doesn't matter if the alliance would turn out badly. I don't give a flying [censored] about whether or not the two would get along. Whatever he thinks about the BOS is moot. What I care about is that he won't listen to me. I have my reasons for keeping them around (the Brotherhood) and when he doesn't listen to me (when everybody else does), I reach my breaking point and turn the SOB into chunky salsa.

Reiterated: I can't convince House to do things my way despite my skill. That's the problem.

So just because you can't hypnotise everyone into your bidding it's a problem. How can you speech him if there is actually nothing convincing you can say to him, what exactly do you think your character's speech 100 brain could possibly say to him to convince him otherwise? All speech options, believed it or not, actually involve dialouge , evidently no possible arguement that could convince House exists:

[Speech 100] "House, you're an abortion of science, this has to end."

"I guess you right, you just have a curious way of saying things which makes me melt to your every demand, I will hand the Strip over to the NCR, my money to the Followers and commit suicide."

Who cares about the NCR's motivations, you have 100 speech, convince them and the Legion to unite. I mean who cares if the alliance would work out badly; you do have 100 speech afterall so why isn't the option there?

There has to be limits to speech's power, you aren't a hypontist, you can convince people to do things, as long as there is a reason for it which they are able to believe.

The Brotherhood's demise in theme with Van Bauren if not FO2, with the BoS is surely fading away as humanity rebuild. While some developer would inject new life into the BoS to keep them alive (and smash the lore and codex into sawdust during the process), the FO2 team clearly have something else in mind; I speculate it is along the line of "The Return of The Paladin" (and we would need The Revenge of The Enclave before that) :wink_smile:

First, I'm not hypnotizing anybody with Speech 100; what I'm doing is convincing them that my way is the right way (even if it isn't - and this alliance would definitely not be best, but it should still be an option). It has absolutely nothing at all to do with hypnosis.

Second, if a skill is maxed at 100, then you are without a doubt, without question, the BEST at doing that thing. The BEST as in: there're none better.

Third, if you are without a doubt, without question, the BEST at convincing people, then you should be able to convince House.

Fourth, I can convince everybody else into doing things my way. House should not be an exception.

Fifth, I wouldn't unite NCR and Legion because I gain nothing by doing so (in contrast to allying House and the BOS). But interestingly enough, my Speech prowess is enough to drive Lanius out without a fight. If I can convince a maniac to abort his mission to take over the Mojave, then I can (should be able to) convince House to do things my way.

I could keep going, but there isn't much point. This is my stance on it and nothing's going to change that (nor am I going to change anybody else's views of the matter). Mr. House svcks and I hate him and he dies in every one of my games and that's how I play and those are my opinions and... yeah.