House or Independant

Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:37 am

I have 4 characters at the moment, each following one of the main factions. However, as I only have the game two weeks, I screwed the face and perk/special distribution of some characters. So I designed my 'main' character yesterday, Alejandro de la Vega.

Alejandro is a charming, intelligent gentleman who grew up in
ruins of Mexico-City. He us determined to become a rich and powerful man. He doesn't shun violence, and would kill innocent people if it's in his interests.

I planned to go independent with him. But after reading about House here on the forums, I respect him much more, and I currently doubt if Alejandro could rule New Vegas as mr. House, and lead it to its Renaissance. Maybe Alejandro could rule the city under the guiding hand of House, acting as his human agent.

So I ask you guys, what would you, knowing about my RP, and what would
you advise?

Btw, sorry about strangely spelled words or caps, I'm on my iPod and autocorrect screws everything up.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:41 am

A good way to sum up House vs. Indy is to bring Arcade Gannon with you when you go to talk to Thomas Hildern at Camp McCarren. Hear Hildern out and exhaust his dialog options, then talk to Arcade.

Arcade basically represents Indy whereas Hildern represents House. Hildern is willing to sacrifice bodies for the greater good and views it as "4 lives to improve the life of 4000," whereas Arcade believes each life is special and you can't really look at humans as statistics.

House really is the best option for Vegas of the existing nations, as he's got the most solid, flawless plan to move forward. No one doubts his security, his genius and his ability to address and solve potential issues. However, House will undoubtedly walk over people, typically "the little guy." Freeside, for example, may not benefit from House. Westside is another one, as are Sarah Weintraub and Michael Angelo. House creates a nation where progress is the focus, the problem being that when two people have conflicting interests, the more powerful and influencial person (the one who brings about more progress) will always get their way. Indy on the other hand promises EVERYONE a chance (save the people you personally get rid of) but at the cost of everyone being in the same boat, i.e., everyone is suddenly at risk of any potential problems that may come about. One's a thinker, the other's a dreamer.

In that sense, although many people initially interpret Indy as the selfish decision, it actually has less to do with selfish gain and more to do with the belief and ideology that everyone deserves a chance. Under House, 50% of the population is VERY secure and 50% is in an incredibly unstable living. Think of Indy as....Indy compromises the top 50% down and the bottom 50% up, so everyone's kinda on par, but of course living standards for the top 50% have taken a massive hit. The BEST living standard isn't nearly as good as it used to be, but at least the WORST living standard has significantly improved. Again, think of it like House has the greater potential for some people, but Indy provides an adequate living standard to more people.

For that reason, I'd pick House. If he's selfish and isn't afraid to kill innocent people, House offers a greater POTENTIAL standard of living than Indy, and as House's agent, you're obviously first in line to get the best-of-the-best.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:09 am

A good way to sum up House vs. Indy is to bring Arcade Gannon with you when you go to talk to Thomas Hildern at Camp McCarren. Hear Hildern out and exhaust his dialog options, then talk to Arcade.

Arcade basically represents Indy whereas Hildern represents House. Hildern is willing to sacrifice bodies for the greater good and views it as "4 lives to improve the life of 4000," whereas Arcade believes each life is special and you can't really look at humans as statistics.

House really is the best option for Vegas of the existing nations, as he's got the most solid, flawless plan to move forward. No one doubts his security, his genius and his ability to address and solve potential issues. However, House will undoubtedly walk over people, typically "the little guy." Freeside, for example, may not benefit from House. Westside is another one, as are Sarah Weintraub and Michael Angelo. House creates a nation where progress is the focus, the problem being that when two people have conflicting interests, the more powerful and influencial person (the one who brings about more progress) will always get their way. Indy on the other hand promises EVERYONE a chance (save the people you personally get rid of) but at the cost of everyone being in the same boat, i.e., everyone is suddenly at risk of any potential problems that may come about. One's a thinker, the other's a dreamer.

In that sense, although many people initially interpret Indy as the selfish decision, it actually has less to do with selfish gain and more to do with the belief and ideology that everyone deserves a chance. Under House, 50% of the population is VERY secure and 50% is in an incredibly unstable living. Think of Indy as....Indy compromises the top 50% down and the bottom 50% up, so everyone's kinda on par, but of course living standards for the top 50% have taken a massive hit. The BEST living standard isn't nearly as good as it used to be, but at least the WORST living standard has significantly improved. Again, think of it like House has the greater potential for some people, but Indy provides an adequate living standard to more people.

For that reason, I'd pick House. If he's selfish and isn't afraid to kill innocent people, House offers a greater POTENTIAL standard of living than Indy, and as House's agent, you're obviously first in line to get the best-of-the-best.

That was exactly what I was thinking when thinking about House's side. However, I wanted to choose independent to become some kind of enlightened despot, kinda like House, but with me as leader. I wanted to renovate Freeside, as it's ruining Vegas imo, but still concentrate on the Strip, keeping it a haven for the elite.

Btw, suggestions are welcome, but I'll reply tomorrow, as it's 2:00 am here in Holland :P
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:37 am

If your character is out purely for himself, you're still better off siding with House. Sure, with Vegas being independent, you're effectively in control, but Vegas will prosper to a much greater extent under House. The economy will grow and grow and your character would directly benefit from that. House can further develop his technologies and judging by the end slides (I won't spoil too much), every luxury is conferred upon the Courier.

Like your character, House is ruthless and uncompromising in his methods. There's an agreeable disposition, which I can imagine is a prerequisite for a healthy business relationship. Admittedly, House is firmly in charge, so your character would have to be prepared to accept his role as second fiddle.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:50 am

Last reply for today, I'll probably side with House, that way I also won't feel guilty after [/spoiler]killing him[/spoiler], cause I felt really bad after crushing everything he had worked for.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:04 pm

Legion, because that's what smart people pick.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:06 pm

Legion, because that's what smart people pick.

Love them, but not with this character and RP.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:45 pm

That was exactly what I was thinking when thinking about House's side. However, I wanted to choose independent to become some kind of enlightened despot, kinda like House, but with me as leader. I wanted to renovate Freeside, as it's ruining Vegas imo, but still concentrate on the Strip, keeping it a haven for the elite.

Btw, suggestions are welcome, but I'll reply tomorrow, as it's 2:00 am here in Holland :tongue:

Sorry to dash your hopes and dreams but that doesn't happen.

Indie is anarchy, not in the way you might think, each towns rules themselves and that's it.

If the Courier takes over as dictator than it's not anarchy, it's the Courier's dictatorship.

In the Indie ending the Courier rules the Strip and everything else belongs to the locals of those areas, Goodsprings, Primm, Novac, Westside, Freeside, and all of the others live on their own unbothered by the Courier.

If you want the Mojave to be united under it's own government that only happens with House.

In NCR and CL endings they all under those people.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:00 am

Sorry to dash your hopes and dreams but that doesn't happen.

Indie is anarchy, not in the way you might think, each towns rules themselves and that's it.

If the Courier takes over as dictator than it's not anarchy, it's the Courier's dictatorship.

In the Indie ending the Courier rules the Strip and everything else belongs to the locals of those areas, Goodsprings, Primm, Novac, Westside, Freeside, and all of the others live on their own unbothered by the Courier.

If you want the Mojave to be united under it's own government that only happens with House.

In NCR and CL endings they all under those people.

For Indy the three main beliefs are basically:

1) Courier walks off into the sunset
2) Courier is in charge of the Strip and thus profits from it (his direct rule and authority isn't clear)
3) Courier works as he had before during gameplay, not acting as a national authority but working for and protecting each community in their time of need

While Indy basically "frees" Freeside, their future is ultimately in their hands. I wouldn't worry personally, as the Kings and the Followers are two groups with very good morals, but renovating Freeside with, say, the Strip money, or hell claiming authority over Freeside in general? Doesn't sound likely. All you can do is basically "teach the to fish" and hope they use it.


It is possible to at least spare Freeside under House, but nothing more and you'll need to kill innocents to make it happen. The rest of the Mojave, save a couple locations (Jacobstown, Nellis) can be united under House. (for better or worse)
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:04 pm

and u should make Raul ur only companian u use.
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Post » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:55 pm

Personally I'd choose House with your character. Though in my own play throughs, I've had more Independent endings, than House endings.
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