Does House ever plan to fix up Freeside and make it better? Or even help them? Would a member of the Kings be inclined to side with house in any way at all?

Nah. House wants to go to space.

He, uh.. yep. Yeah.

There can be peace between House and the Kings/Freeside, but I don't think he plans to help them in any way. Maybe a King would support House in a 'the enemy of my enemy' sort of way. I think a King would be more likely to strive for independence though.

Freeside, in Mr. House's opinion, is a good place for the poor and destitute to live. He likes the fact that it holds all the undesirables who would plague Vegas. He is all for Vegas, and Vegas only.

He should take care of it though, if only to make it easier for people to actually get to the Strip without being robbed/ murdered. His business empire does need customers after all for his plans to work.

It's been only seven years, people. Even with his talent and resources, House has to prioritize. Freeside falls to the wayside. Sad but true.

I believe he does plan to expand his wall further out and he does plan to rebuild Vegas itself as a shining monument, but this won't be done overnight. He'll need to hire/train a set of people to know how to handle pre-war construction machinery back at Quarry Junction, haul it to Vegas, and make cement out of it to rebuild any damage, and to construct a larger outer wall, which would cost a tremendous amount of caps and take years to finally finish.

He's only been active for seven years. He woke up years before, but he only made his presence known in order to seize power on the Strip. And considering he has armed guards gunning down anyone from Freeside who tries to enter his little fantasyland, I doubt he secretly harbors a desire to develop Freeside, or anywhere else for that matter. He wants to run his country like a business, and thus the people of the Mojave to him are nothing more than a resource to be exploited for all its worth. Note how he calls it the 'Free Economic Zone of New Vegas'

Charles Montgomery Burns anyone? Eeeeexcellent...

Most likely. But keep in mind, there are strings attached.

By "fixing up Freeside," it means he rolls his Securitrons in and imposes his personal rule of law on the area. He'll clean the place up, put a stamp on crime, and may even give you a job if you're capable enough. But this isn't a handout; you have to obey his laws and pay his taxes. If you have a problem with that, you can either show yourself to the door, or die in a hail of machine gun fire. Your choice.

Ironically, the only time House won't clean up Freeside for sure is when he doesn't kill the Kings. Because in that ending, he opts instead to stay out and let it retain its independence.

He'll rebuild it eventually but not overnight.

No lol.

If he ever fixed up Freeside, it'd be in his vision and not neccesarily in a way that would benefit the people of Freeside or that they would like.

Also if you haven't noticed, the Kings are the personification of freedom. That's why they have issues surviving under autocracies (the Legion and House endings) but survive under democracy or anarchy just fine. That's why Freeside is so "anything goes" and that's why they'll habitually turn down any offers of assimilation or threats: because their personal liberty is worth dying over for them.

Except you conveniently forget the part where siding the Kings with House/New Vegas he leaves them be, seeing their aggression against NCR as loyalty to New Vegas. I guess that blows your biased out the water. Oops.

Which requires the death of an innocent civilian who initially came to Freeside with the intentions of helping it and providing it with food. That's an ending with it's own problems and it's own evils.

Why should Elizabeth Kieran have to die for this to happen, and why do the Kings have to attack NCR "soldiers and civilians" (quoted from ending) for House to spare them?

It can be easy to shoot Elizabeth when given the choice between shooting her, the King or House simply because she's not as capable as the other two, but fact is she's done absolutely nothing wrong and has good intentions. Of the three, House has the most impure intentions as he seeks Freeside simply for the sake of increasing his control over the area. The King? The King just wants universal respect, and Elizabeth's job is to give downtrotten people food and shelter, NCR or not.

It's one ending out of three possible (AKA) the minority, it ONLY lasts as long as the Kings unwittingly appease House one can presume, since the Kings don't take kindly to authority or threats and House will continue expanding, and you really have to ask yourself what that kind of ending represents, since it requires the deaths of innocent people for their survival.

Your whole arguement fell apart at calling NCR soldiers 'civilians'. They are soldiers, soldiers die in wars. She was trying to give NCR a foothold in New Vegas and paid the price for it. I don't enjoy it, but I value the lives of the Kings over 3-4 SOLDIERS.

Except the Kings and the NCR are not at war. She wasn't in Freeside to usurp the Kings rule- she is willing to work with the Kings to distribute food if you clear up Pacer's deception.

No, but House is fighting his own war of subterfuge. Would letting the Kings spread NCR aid be more or less likely to give NCR a foothold in New Vegas post-Hoover dam? House punishes all those who are in bed with NCR because they were aiding NCR's occupation and attempt to force New Vegas to its control.

Don't think for a second NCR wouldn't punish anyone who had Caesars Legion ties. Hell, they even force the Followers out of Freeside without courier intervention.

I guess the worth of that claim is up to the player. Are the benefits of killing Elizibeth Karen significant enough to outway the costs? Obviously, each person has their own outlook, and if the only goal you have in mnd is the furtherment of House's rule, then I guess yeah, it might be justified.

Personally, I think her and her men's life is worth the same whether they be soldiers or not, and the aid they give is enough of a good in itself to outweigh the potential for it to curry favor against House (something, you must remember, the aid is not doing w/o player intervention. In fact, since they only give aid to NCR squatters, they are actually giving rise to anti-NCR sentiment). Really, even as a pro-House character, I would find it hard to justify killing them for Houses sake.

I find it rather easy. I leverage the lives of 4-5 soldiers over the entire Kings. Their deaths help pave the road of progress, so I sleep easy at night knowing their deaths arent in vain.

Even going upon the assumption that House leads to progress, I still do not see how killing them "paves the road". Remember, the Kings never benefit House. In their endings, House either kills them off or ignores them. The Kings are never an asset for House.

This means that to side with House means the player has to take responsibility for one group's death, be they the Kings killed by House after the Second Battle, or the NCR soldiers and citizens killed by the Kings during the Battle for Hoover. Of course, which group you would rather see dead is of little consequence to House.

What players take issue with is not one side or the other is more deserving of death, but that a House ending means you cannot save both. It is just an important thing to note, and a factor one should consider when contemplating the merits of each potential victor of the Second Battle for Hoover Dam.

Then those people need to grow up. Not everything in life is the white knight saving the kingdom and being hailed the hero of humanity and karmically being Jesus Christ. Sometimes lives must be lost so other lives more useful are kept and thrive. War at its purest form is a game of numbers. The less numbers lost, the more you've 'won' the war. I won't hold myself accountable for the death of NCR soldiers feeding NCR citizens only. I feel like there's too much delusional 'WE SHOULD HAVE OPTIONS TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY! ^_^' going on here. House is the most 'real' example of choices having consequences as a faction. It's funny that people go 'I RP as an NCR soldier and had the Brotherhood side with us', but that makes you a piss poor soldier since you defied your orders to exterminate the BoS.It's funny people go out of their way to metagame and try for these 'AN EVERYONE LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER IN MY GAME! ^_^', but if they did the quest lines as they were 'supposed' to, IE follow their orders given, they'd be getting equally mixed ending games.