House Redoran

Post » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:08 pm

So did House Redoran survive the Oblivion Crisis? Or have they been completely wiped out?
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Thomas LEON
 
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:36 am

Not yet, but... "In Oblivion, a few Dunmer NPCs will mention the rumor that House Redoran of Morrowind is under attack by Nordic and Orcish mercenaries from Skyrim."

Whether they mean by attack that they are stealing their business or physically assaulting their members is unclear. Probably the first one, though.

First off, rumor. Second, I have no source :shrug: Sorry, I'm going to bed soon. Third, they might win.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:49 am

They're still there, just very weak. Doesn't help that there are nords and orcs attacking them too.
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Micah Judaeah
 
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Post » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:54 pm

I remember hearing a rumor in Oblivion that Ald'Ruhn was razed to the ground so, I suppose all that's left is Khuul...

I guess that ends the feud over the Caldera Mining Contracts ^_^
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:57 am

The Redoran of Vvardenfell are all but destroyed, it is possible some of the noble warrior house were evacuated from Ald'ruhn, but none may say.

However, the Redoran do not only have holding on Vvardenfell. The entire city of Kragenmoor --and many other smaller cities and town, no doubt-- is under the influence of the Redoran, it is possible that even greater Redoran authority lives on the mainland of Morrowind. However, as rumored, many of the mainland-dwelling warriors are locked in combat with invading Nords and Orcs. Kragenmoor is located near Morrowind's Skyrim border for that very reason, as generations have relied on their strength for protection from the Dunmer's enemies -- the Nords.

However, due to the climactic events taking place at the same time of these rumored attacks, and the destruction of Ald'Ruhn, it is unlikely the Redoran will be all-fortunate in their efforts.

EDIT: Also know that Ald'ruhn, while the Redoran capital of Vvardenfell, is not the only dwelling of the warrior house there. There is Maar Gan, Ald Velothi, and they have an, albeit small, presence in Khuul.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:11 am

I remember hearing a rumor in Oblivion that Ald'Ruhn was razed to the ground so, I suppose all that's left is Khuul...

Can't forget about Maar Gan :P
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Post » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:22 pm

Under Bolvyn Venim, House Redoran had moved their Council to Ald'ruhn; they were the only Great House with their main body on Vvardenfell. Ald'ruhn, if you believe the in-game rumors and have followed the out-of-game discussions, was Kvatch'd, and Skar was destroyed. If true, this would have left them decapitated, with only the remnants of Ald'ruhn, the stronghold at Bal Isra, the outposts in the northwest of the island, and whatever holdings remained on the mainland. In my view, the most plausible state of affairs is that House Redoran is much reduced and fighting a guerrilla war against the Nord incursion. Even so, I would not count them out; their discipline, skill at arms, and knowledge of the West Gash and Ashlands make them a stubborn and still formidable foe.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:13 am

So did House Redoran survive the Oblivion Crisis? Or have they been completely wiped out?

Even with ald ruhn destroyed i would imagine that they would survive but badly crippled without leaders and most of their power gone on Vvardenfel hopefully some of their leaders abandoned the city and survived.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:08 am

Wiped out? I don't think so, crippled perhaps, besides they probably have divisions on other parts of Morrowind, if that's the right word to be used...
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:31 am

Weakened only after the Daedra, Orcs and Nords attacked them.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:46 am

Honestly, between Helseth's ambitions, possible major changes in the Empire, and recent upheavals in the House system, it's entirely possible the House system as we know it is coming to an end. Indoril and Redoran are too weakened to actually contribute to the balance of power. Hllalu recently saw a rise in their power... but will likely find themselves reduced as their Imperial support wanes, forcing themselves to ally themselves more fully with the alien Crown if they want to retain their position... assuming Helseth even has the power to save them. That leaves Telvanni, practically an independent polity in its own right (who will doubtless resist any Monarchial encroachments on their own local sovereignty), and Dres.

If Helseth manages to make the monarchy into more than an Imperial figurehead, the power of the Houses will have to decrease by a commensurate amount... they'd be reduced to an administrative body at best, or perhaps to just really rich families, while ordinary people begin to derive their protection directly from the Crown. If they fail, you'd end up with Morrowind almost totally dominated by Dres and Telvanni. Given Telvanni's lax policies with regard to policing their own young would-be wizard-lords, it's likely Dres will constantly have to deal with Telvanni encroachments. How they choose to deal with it will shape the future of Morrowind.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:41 am

What of Vivec's House Redoran canton? We can assume hundreds of families and a sizable garrison are still there. Its unlikely they have been assaulted or left. Vvardenfell isn't closed to Redoran yet, there's still plenty they can do from there. That's where they began.


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Jessica Colville
 
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:55 am

In the sense that matters, House Redoran didn't survive the Nerevarine. You can still find the people and buildings, though.
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Post » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:49 pm

IMHO (there, I wrote it :P), I believe that recent events will become catalyst for a inner change, perhaps younger leaders will modernise House Redoran.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:48 pm

They would always survive... for example there are enough members living somewhere else.. and don't forget that the house has it's own canton in Vivec... probably also some ambasedors in Mournhold..
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:01 am

In the sense that matters, House Redoran didn't survive the Nerevarine. You can still find the people and buildings, though.


That sense doesn't matter. Redoran will always remain the avenue for Dunmeri pride a return from stagnation.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:43 pm

They would always survive... for example there are enough members living somewhere else.. and don't forget that the house has it's own canton in Vivec... probably also some ambasedors in Mournhold..

But I get the distinct feeling that if the winds of power shift, then I could definitely see the Temple saying that Dres has more polity over the region than Redoran and giving Dres the Canton and that would probably Redoran's death-stroke.

Interestingly enough, have you noticed that the houses that are being purged are the ones more aligned with the Warrior aspect than with the Thief and Mage aspects? Dres seems more Warrior/Thief and Indoril seems pretty Warrior-y.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:43 am

The Redoran still hold Blacklight on the mainland. But them and Indoril are getting eaten because they won't embrace the new ways of the Imperials. The Hlaalu and Dres have become more Imperial and despite their isolationism, the Telvanni have grown quite powerful as well.
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Post » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:24 pm

Honor and dignity are luxuries. When you are down on your luck, you can't afford luxuries. If the Redoran wanted to survive, they would find allies and survive no matter the cost. If they care more about their precious honor, then I'm astonished they survived this long.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:10 am

Honor and dignity are luxuries. When you are down on your luck, you can't afford luxuries. If the Redoran wanted to survive, they would find allies and survive no matter the cost. If they care more about their precious honor, then I'm astonished they survived this long.


Without honor, why put so much effort into continuity? They may as well allow themselves to be absorbed into other houses retaining their personal honor, rather than throwing it all away to continue the existence of an increasingly disgraced house.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:06 am

Without honor, why put so much effort into continuity? They may as well allow themselves to be absorbed into other houses retaining their personal honor, rather than throwing it all away to continue the existence of an increasingly disgraced house.

Plus, they have always been, in large part, the mercenaries to the dunmer since the great houses had been established. It was only now did that imperials broke that by providing their own protection service to everyone. Right now, they should just become the dunmer military, and stay a house in name, not in practice.

If they don't start doing something, the lower ranking members will, at best, serve as guards for Telvanni, Dres, and Hlaalu. The nobles will either be absorbed or live their lives as homeless nobles.
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:13 am

Maybe the Telvanni will eat them? "Like a bear singlepawedly captures a fish and consumes it, we, The Telvanni, have singlehandedly take the Redoran from their state of vulnerability, and nommed on them!" Or at least that's how I wish it would go.
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Post » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:58 pm

Maybe the Telvanni will eat them? "Like a bear singlepawedly captures a fish and consumes it, we, The Telvanni, have singlehandedly take the Redoran from their state of vulnerability, and nommed on them!" Or at least that's how I wish it would go.


House Redoran really doesn't have much of anything the Telvanni would want to consume (well, maybe some of their hinterlands suitable for wizard towers). More likely the Telvanni would hire underemployed Redoran as guards and mercenaries. (Edit: Forgot cooks. Redoran are well known to be the best cooks in Morrowind. Hound and rat, anyone?)
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:03 am

House Redoran really doesn't have much of anything the Telvanni would want to consume (well, maybe some of their hinterlands suitable for wizard towers). More likely the Telvanni would hire underemployed Redoran as guards and mercenaries.

Gotta have some muscle to keep the dirty and poor peasants from disturbing you
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Claire Mclaughlin
 
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Post » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:32 am

House Redoran really doesn't have much of anything the Telvanni would want to consume (well, maybe some of their hinterlands suitable for wizard towers). More likely the Telvanni would hire underemployed Redoran as guards and mercenaries. (Edit: Forgot cooks. Redoran are well known to be the best cooks in Morrowind. Hound and rat, anyone?)


Hmm... perhaps "Redoran" will become Tamriel's equivalent of "ronin"?
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