Excuse me?
What I said is what the developers said when asked whether Yes Man will turn on you or you become king of Vegas.


But he just rules Vegas, not the Mojave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4sUPvDZfog



I don't see why the Courier could not establish a government that extends its reach over the entire Mojave. The Securitron Army is certainly enough to maintain law over the region.

He could but the devs said he didn't.

When?

Excuse me?
What i said is use your imagination. I have no [censored]in idea what the devs said nor do i care they make the game they make the story i chose what i do in the main quest. What i do in the main quest doesnt concern them. I make a republic of supreme awesomeness then i make a republic of supreme awesomeness.

Exasly. I was thinking about the southpark song though.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4tY8mQ_1o

In a forum a few months ago (not this one).


I said excuse me because you insulted my creativity with your comment "God gave you a brain for a reason" (and as a side not we're not allowed to talk about religion so you might want to edit that, just to warn you before a mod does).

I don't care for imagining things revolved around other people's work. I like coming up with stories (book and game concepts) without having to use a crutch.

*facepalm Dude saying that god gave u a brain doesnt have to be related to religion its just something u say. I have seen it said on the forum b4. And srry if it sounded insulting i just think that u need to use ur IMAGI------NAAAAAAAATION more.

As I have just said I do, just not on established lore for a videogame.

It doesn't make much sense though, I mean why would the Courier abandon the Securitron army and just let everything fall to pieces?

You can read through http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1366972-what-each-faction-means-for-vegas-and-who-you-support/page__view__findpost__p__20677336 from last week if you want details on how the "Anarchy" ending doesn't make much sense (imo).



I thought you had a Fallout fan-fic at some point, or am I remembering a different fan-fic?

Yeah there is a reason why many are making a what would u do if u were the leader of Indy Vegas threads. Something u can build up on when u just finished a Indy playthrough. Its called a RPG for a reason am i iight?

There though was the Courier would have the securitrons keep the Strip and possibly Outer Vegas safe as well as the borders of the Mojave and then have no other involvement with the Mojave besides adventuring and occasionally helping out or hurting people himself.


That's different IMO, it was in New York with no connection to previous lore.

And I make ideas based on some Fallout lore, just not directly to the games.

TBH, I don't think it matters what the devs intended the Independent ending to be, because the fact is that it is left open ended enough from in-game evidence for one to determine that the Courier could do, essentially, whatever the hell he wants, including setting up his own government in the Mojave. IMO, in-game evidence actually points to the Courier setting up his own government rather than allowing the Mojave to degenerate into anarchy.


I disagree, as a fan-fic written within the lore of a game can do a few things that are quite creative:

1.) It can show the ill effects of an event or faction in a way that most who play the game wouldn't think of.

2.) It can express a theme within an environment that is never explored in-game, and it can gain depth by cleverly utilizing different aspects of the environment in which it is based to further that theme.

I should also point out that by your logic, all games/works inspired by D&D and its respective campaign settings (PS:T comes to mind) would be "on a crutch" and non-creative. This would also be true with D&D itself to some extent, since it was largely inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien. What I'm getting at is that "creative" content doesn't have to be 100% original; it can be inspired by/spring-boarded by other content while still being extremely creative and interesting. In fact, human advancement itself consists mainly of ideas and concepts that were spring-boarded off of past ideas -- and the new ideas often maintained certain aspects of the older ones. So I don't see writing that is inspired by the lore of a game/book as being "on a crutch" creativity wise, but that's just me. It's possible that we just view the concept of creativity differently, of course.

I didn't mean completely different, I just see things that use a lot of content of something that is already established (let's just say a fan fic on Dean Domini up until the events of Dead Money) are unimaginative and although they can be creative it's not telling your mind to have a field day or anything.

But again that's just me.

I can see your point there, although I'll be honest, much of my post was advertising for my fan-fic (link in my signature).
I'm not saying it's extremely creative, that's up to the reader, but your supposed to make something look good in an advertisemant, right? So yeah, if you want to, check it out. It uses some Van Buran stuff, well, mainly Van Buran locations and a few creatures, if that makes it any more appealing.

You have hundreds of, arguably, the strongest robot unit in all of America at your disposal. You shape New Vegas how YOU want it. The Courier is making a new nation after the tragedy at the Divide.

According to the devs he doesn't, he is just the ruler of the Strip and keeps the NCR and Legion out of their borders.

And who says the Courier doesn't care about the Divide?

Try as you might, the indie fans are going to subsitute their 'Courier makes Vegas perfect with rainbows and kittens! ^__^' fanon as true canon, even to the point of ignoring the devs. I mean, psh, they only wrote the characters, what would THEY know?

The Strip IS Vegas essentially. Besides, J.E Sawyer already stated that Yes Man is going to reprogram himself so that only the Courier can command him.


"Any chaos on the streets was ended, quickly. Chaos became uncertainty, then acceptance, with minimal loss of life. New Vegas assumed its position as an independent power in the Mojave."

The ending that you get when you have upgraded the Securitrons. You control the Strip. Besides, what's so bad about having the Mojave relatively anarchic? It's not like it's total anarchy. There are Securitrons patrolling Vegas and there are local sheriffs in every town. After all, only a part of the Securitron army is diverted to the Strip. There are still quite a bit of them doing who knows what.

Well they certainly don't help anyone, they just leave the fiends to take over a lot of places

LOL did sumbuddy say kittens!!!11 ^___^

If you control the Strip, you control the whole Mojave, at least economically. And besides:



So if their intention was to have the Indy ending go a certain way, then they should have written it into the game that way. They left it extremely open ended, offering little to no in-game details as to what the Courier actually does with the power of the Securitron army. So as long as is isn't officially canon (no ending is), I don't see a problem with a logical interpretation of a very open-to-interpretation part of the game. And I'm not saying that the Mojave would be perfect, just better than it would be under the supposedly omniscient 200-year-old authoritarian relic, the delusional Roman LARPer, and the greed fueled semi-competent imperialists. Or the deranged lunatic who plays with clouds and vending machines, but he's kind of irrelevant anyways.

Yeah, their utopia idea of Vegas which the people who invented pretty much everything in the game say doesn't happen makes it dififcult for other factions to debate with them because they always think Indie becomes perfect.


So? You controlled him before.

He just makes it so he only listens to the Courier but that is beside the point. The devs (I remember now, it was Chris Avellone at PAX East answering questions) have stated that the Courier retires to the Lucky 38 and occasionally wanders. He doesn't take over Vegas or anything besides keep the Legion and NCR out of the Mojave and keep order on the Strip.

He leaves all of those towns to fend for themselves.


Didn't say it was bad, I just think that House is better.

lolwut

So you are denieng people their chance of roleplay? Damn dog didnt think u were that big of a House fanatic. Im not gonna bend my back to the devs. My Vegas aint even perfect with rainbows and kittens (rainbows are for gays and bronies) In my sense (if that is possible to say) it is perfect with weapons armed robots strong alliances of people fighters and tech so much that u might think there was no [censored] nuclear war. Its not perfect in the sense of HARMONY and PEACE but more like perfect in the sense of security and freedom.

Not Anarchy.

Has nothing to do with House fandom. It has to do with people thinking just because the Devs didn't state explicitely, but subtly, that the Courier doesnt control Vegas, the fans go and start treating their fanon as canon. It doesn't matter if it's Fallout or another game, people treating their fanon as true over the developers of the game is obnoxiously childish.