Hey, Sorry theres probably another thread like this but i wanted to add a couple of things aswell.

I was playing New Vegas and i was wondering if Mr. House is truly the best person for New Vegas? He genuinely cares about Vegas and has done the most work in bringing it back from the dead and taking care of it.

Past.

Mr. House Knew the world would end he knew he couldn't save the world, nor did he want to but, he could save Las Vegas.

"On October 23rd 2077, the citizens of Las Vegas bore withness to an astonishing spectacle. Huge Laser cannons unfreled from the secret housings in the roof of the Lucky 38 casino and hoover Dam's Intake towers and began spitting blasts of green fire into the sky, destroying warhead after warhead and sparing Las Vegas." - Fallout New Vegas Offical Game Guide

Not only did he save Las Vegas but the Mojave aswell.

Though Defending Las Vegas from atomic destruction set off cascade of system crashes that pluged the Lucky 38 into darkness and nearly killed Mr. House. This proved too much for Mr. House and he lapsed into a coma. When Mr. House Finally came to, decades had passed. Immediately he began using his Securitron robots to search out human settlements, and eventually he was able to hire salvage teams in the distant west to search for the priceless upgrade disc in the ruins of Sunnyvale. The disc would not be found until many years which he spent millions of his own caps to ensure that New Vegas would one day have an army capable of protecting it. In the meantime he would improvise adhoc defense of the vegas region against the encroachment of NCR forces, namely the recruitment of the Three Families and to augment his downgraded Mark 1 Securition robot defenders.

He managed to negotiate with the NCR to allow Power and Water to run into the strip and recognizing Mr. House and his stewards, the Three Familes as the rightful owners of New Vegas, So with that Vegas or at least a fraction of it was back from the dead. The citizens of New Vegas build a wall around Vegas to protect it from raiders and invaders andThe Strip was open for buisness.

Present- 2281
Mr. House Currently runs New Vegas with the Three Families. People call him a Tyrant but doesn’t it need someone who knows what they’re doing and someone with focus and an actual goal? For Example
Cass’s quote- “Papa always said this is what Reno tried to be…[censored] Reno”
And Stella from Honest Hearts also Mentions Reno and how A Mr. House fella would be better.
Courier: “What was it like to grow up in New Reno?”
Stella: “Imagine New Vegas if there was no Mr. House type fella keeping the peace, and then give everyone a gun and a jet addiction. Town is run by a bunch of crime families no law to speak of.”
Benny and the others don't seem to want Mr. House to rule; Benny said "Mr. House Hides Vegas under his skirt a Thousand years ago and it belongs to him forever? No that just doesn't work.”
Sarah from vault 21 said "So he saved Vegas WooHoo now scram and let us get on with our lives" Although why doesn't that seem fair? Without him there would be no Vegas.
With that logic also why can’t say the courier just kill everyone in Novac and take over the town? So what if they rebuilt it and are taking care of it? It seems to be the law of the wasteland that any town can be claimed by a certain person if its unoccupied.
Also another example on how he doesn’t abuse his power as could. His Securitrons can’t enter a casino unless without being invited by one of the family members or in an extreme emergency. Does that sound like someone with absolute power?

Future
Mr. House proposes an autocratic future for New Vegas: undisputed authority of a technocratic visionary. His long-term goal is to use the attractions of New Vegas as an economic engine to reignite mankind’s technological progress. While he has no desire to control every aspect of the lives of those who inhabit the region, neither would the ways and the means by which he achieves economic and technological progress be up for discussion. As the ruins of the former world mutely attest, democracy is a failed experiment. The time has come for Mr. House to heroically save New Vegas for the Second time or possibly third, forging an independent, dynamic high-technology enterprise zone.

Also Mr. House seems to have an actual plan society as well. He said Give Him 20 Years and He'll reignite the Technological Facilities give him 50 Years and he'll have people in orbit and give him 100 years and his Colony ships will search for worlds unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a lost generation.

After Hoover dam
Mr. House's Securitron army took control of Hoover Dam and The Strip , pushing both the Legion and the exhausted NCR out of New Vegas. Mr. House continued to run New Vegas his way, a despotic vision of pre-War glory. The streets were orderly, efficient, cold. New Vegas continued to be the sole place in the wasteland where fortunes were won and lost in the blink of an eye.

The Courier, fair and kind-hearted to those in the Wasteland, ensured that Mr. House would keep New Vegas stable and secure for future generations. Mr. House afforded him/her every luxury at his disposal in the Lucky 38 out of gratitude - and a quiet sense of pride for his choice in lieutenants.

Mr. House also set up a deal with the NCR, Mr. House will sell them power and water, which it is a shame it couldn't have been free or at least at a much lowered cost they won't walk away empty handed.

Oh God. It's going to be one of those threads isn't it.

Like all the endings in NV, it all depends on you.
You can choose Ceasar's Legion for the security and outlaw of drugs.
Independence for ultimate freedom for everyone.
NCR for the democracy and high standard of living.
Or House for the whole everything else you said.

Personally, I support the NCR but believe all the factions can have some pretty damn good endings. House, well I'm not so sure about. . . he has proven that he is willing to lie and cheat to get what he wants, so maybe he said all that to you to aid him in his powerplay. Maybe something goes wrong and he is unable to complete his grand plan. Or maybe he is sincere and will lead humanity to a new golden age.

We don't know as of yet. As I said, it's up to you.

Now to wait for the flame war and fighting to show up. . .

Lol i'm pretty sure there won't be a flame war. I turst people won't get carried away. I just merely asked a question and put in evidence and quotes from multiple people. I know the pros and cons for each factions i never said one was better even though one could agrue by this thread i favor one. i'm sure anyone could make a five page thread on how the legion is cool and help the mojave.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1360890-morality-of-houses-goals/

Read through it to see some of the different opinions.

If the NCR could take down Navarro and the Brotherhood then I fail to see how some Securitrons could pose as a permenant deterant. As truly admirable as House's goals and willpower are he waited far too long to make his move and his insistance on the Vegas fetish has only wasted what little time he had.

There it is again...

That's actually a very good point. Thanks for the info

In fact he always says his Securitron army and the Three Familes aren't though to take on the NCR. The only reason the NCR hasn't attacked is because they're afraid of a The Legion will attack if they see them exposed like that.

i like house the best honestly. Granted its far from perfect, but it was my first choice and i think i'll stick with it for my personal "canon"

Thanks i've read your post and the comments, they're very well written, Navesenrag prediction actually seems very possible.

For Vegas? Yes.
For the rest of the world? No.

Arizona and California could burn for all he care.
Putting him in charge 'could' end both Legion and NCR.
So if you're willing of having two nations crumble into anarchistic ignorance again then sure, he's the best.

That's only until you help House get his army online. After that, you'll even hear troopers nervously comment how the bots 'have enough firepower to arm a whole platoon. House needs a protege, he points this out to you. With you doing the finer things he cant (IE human agent sneaking into a place a Securitron would be to obvious.) and House doing the logistics and planning.

Strawman claims. House being in charge in no way affects the outcome of NCR or the Legion's territories, House has no interest in expanding the borders beyoned the Mojave Outpost. NCR can handle its affairs with a mutual business relation, and, well, I don't care what happens to the Legion. I have faith NCR can handle the rest of the wastes, and House can handle Vegas. It's a win win for all sides that matter. I don't see the Legion as progress, so their fate doesn't interest me. Eddie could have built a powerful nation had he really wanted to, his army is an army built on his own ego and conquest, not the progress of humanity.

True, True you're right

Mr House is the best choice for humanity.

That's paradoxical; House and Vegas, or rather his vision for Vegas, relies on revenue from the NCR; they're the reason he even set himself up in business in the first. It's not in his interests that NCR "burns." Not to mention I fail to see how NCR is going to collapse just because House takes control of the dam.

One advantage that House has that they didn't is numbers. Both the Brotherhood and Navarro may have had some advanced tech, but their populations in relation to NCR were considerably smaller and neither accepted outside recruits; the death of one soldier on their side would always be an even bigger loss than the loss of a soldier on the other side. Despite their advanced tech, they're also only human; they need to eat and sleep too. That's not a problem for House's army, which are entirely made up of robots, all of which are heavily armed with machine guns, laser rifles, grenades, and rockets, and come in a large enough force that they can mount a good defense for Vegas and the Mojave.

Logistics, yo.

Could the Securitron army lose in an all-out war against NCR? Perhaps, but they're a deadly-enough force that they most certainly would deter any mounted offenses from forming in the near future; any war against them would be a costly one. Not to mention that unlike both the Brotherhood and Enclave, House has no intentions on sparking hostile relations with the NCR, so they have no reason to attack him on those grounds either.

NCR is already failing (in MY eyes) and House is only making the situation worse for them.
That continues and he's going to be the blow NCR needs to crumble.
He says he needs them, but he doesn't seem to know he's bleeding them dry as it is.

Even "if" he doesn't make NCR fall apart, I'd hardly consider him good for California, Arizona, Colorado, Utah or New Mexico.

A. You're grasping for straws here. House isn't going to bankrupt NCR, the drain on funds is their campaign in Vegas. Once House boots NCR out of Vegas, they'll go back to securing their borders, and change clean their political structure out. House is a mighty wall stopping NCR from their jingoist expansion, metaphorically speaking. House is that slap across the face NCR needs to show them they have no right to just march into a region and say 'WELL, IT'S OURS NOW!". You can only [censored] on people for so long before they decide it's their turn to pull down the pants. NCR's financial troubles is on themselves alone, mainly it's on Kimball's head.

B. Who cares? You're again grasping for straws. NCR has California, most of Nevada, and parts of the North-Western US. The Legion has the East. Vegas is one city, New Vegas is about what's best for Vegas. A bureaucratic regime that overtaxes people? No. A bunch of tribals LARPING as pseudo-Romans? No. A firm handed autocratic that ran a nationwide, if not global, multibillion dollar corporation since he was 22? Yes, that is what is best for Vegas. He's capitalising on what Vegas did best before the War, make money via tourism, and from there, he indicates his plans to reignite technologic and economic sectors, so the tourism is but a starter.

I get the feeling you never REALLY did a detailed House playthrough, or at the minimal, you just breezed through it, as House isn't planning on wiping out NCR or the Legion, as you so claim.

/careface

Not gonna play through the game for NCR and House again just to fresh up on the story.
I'll strawman until the moon turns purple or until I have the time to play New Vegas again.
And until then /careface.
Not really interested in debating it either as I'm lazy and sick and tired discussing New Vegas politics.
But I'll still chip in with my biased opinion every once in a while.

Don't come into a discussion if all you're going to do is spout illogical and unfounded claims. Not that hard.

Damn.... [censored] just got serious.

Not really, I just don't see the point of coming into a discussion just to spout claims with no basis of truth. I'm all for a good debate, but if someone wants to go 'NOPE IT HAPPENS THE WAY I SAID IT WILL!' without any proof, it's just.....poor etiquette?

Yeah.. Well... It happens countless times on every debate.

I normally ignore them or start responding to them to actually get them involved with the discussion.

You can most likely find my detailed explanations of how I see NCR is falling apart in other threads.
I'm quite frankly sick and tired of discussing politics in detail.
And it's a free forum, if I want to just give my quick 2 cents I'm allowed to, even if they are "flawed".


But I can spare a quick argument.
I don't see NCR being able to pull themself out of the ditch they've been digging because of the way they've been doing things.
They've made enemies in a lot of places, even within their own government.
They are corrupt and inefficient to the point of being incompetent at times.
So I see rebellions coming.
The enemies they've made during this, Great Khans and BOS are just two, will take that time to attack and try to destroy NCR too.

I simply don't see how NCR is gonna be able to keep going.
If they won New Vegas they might be able to stabilize things, show their people that they could win and that they are necessary.
But if they fail? Then the people will throw a fit, so many lives, so many resources, so much money, completely wasted into the Mojave.
People will revolt.
NCR will lose lands.
They might not crumble all together, but they will lose a lot.

What army they have left will have to prioritize areas that are prosperous.
Everything else is left to fend for the wolves.
With the army and police withdrawn from a lot of towns, cities and communities gangs will move in, take control, build power and raid NCR caravans.

I simply see downspiral for NCR if they lose.
They can go back and secure their borders?
Pfft, with what? The remnants of their army?
They have to secure their lands from riots and rebellions too.

All speculation though.
Take it or leave it.
But NCR losing would be a downward spiral which is going to hurt NCR lands a lot.
That's my speculation on 'em.
Seen enough characters in New Vegas who are sick and tired of NCR to come to that conclusion.
Seen enough corruption and incompetence.
Seen enough idiotic prioritizing made by the leaders.

And add in that House has been bleeding them dry, and will if they ever make contact with him again (peaceful contact) and it's hardly helping.

And again, House doesn't care.
He doesn't give a rats ass about NCR or Legion.
Legion are savages, he doesn't care.
NCR is profitable? Sure, until he doesn't want them there anymore, then he couldn't care less what happens to them as long as they keep out of Vegas.

Bleh, that's my speculation on it from my experience with the game.
Take it or leave it, still gonna make oversimplifications in the future.