How many soldiers would die? Well let's look at the size of House's army. He split it at the end of the game so let's assume the one that's with you is half and the other half is securing Vegas. I'll go count and see how many there are. Then simply multiply by 10 and that's about how many. I'll provide the number in a bit. The NCR wouldn't go through famine, at least not one worse than what they are already heading for. They'll still have the electricity output they had 5 years ago, and roughly the same amount of water. To retake Vegas wouldn't take more than a month so the political ramifications wouldn't be that severe. I mean the NCR loses 1000 troopers a year, whatever they lose to House's robots will be child's play.

Did I mention when he gets the Mojave up again, he produce his robots. Plus, the people of the Mojave wont take to kindly NCR trying to get back in.

Why 10? Out of curiosity.

I figure a Paladin and Securitron are about as hard to kill. Somewhere in game I remember someone stating the BoS Paladins had a kill ratio of 1 to 10 vs NCR troopers at Helios one (I'm replaying through the game to see who in Hidden Valley said that if not Veronica.) So for every Securitron say the kill ratio remains about the same for simplicities sake at 1 to 10. In any case I'm sure the number will be far under the 1000 a year Hanlon states.

Which is an interesting concept but is flawed in the sense that simply counting the number of securitrons you see in-game is in no way a good method of getting a reliable count on House's army size.

For instance, an entire group of them were attacking the Fort at the time (hence the fires and explosions) how do you count those in? The number of securitrons could also vary quite a bit from what it is supposed to be in lore (because of gameplay limitations).

Elsewise the battle of hoover dam was apparently between maybe 50 NCR and Legion soldiers.

40, I counted about 40 that followed House to meet Oliver. I also included the ones behind other robots or House as he rolls to greet you. Times by two and adding 20 more just in case someone else counts or the ones still at the Fort or what have you and that's about 100 Securitrons.That said it would take 1000. 1000 NCR troopers to take House down. Or 100 Veteran Rangers/Heavy Troopers. The VR/Heavy Troopers are unlikely to be fielded to the last man but obviously if the NCR loses 1000 a year their army is of a much larger size. In any case I think the point is moot that the NCR COULD take Vegas back from House's upgraded securitrons and for a one time high price (temopary lose of power and water from the Hoover Dam and high trooper casualties) I remember someone else on the forums stating the Legion had 1800 troops gathered if you count their tents behind the Fort so I figure the count of House's securitrons would be in relation to everything else.

Apply that to both the Legion example and the example of House.


I would, personally, guesstimate the size of House's army to be in the several thousands.

One hundred securitrons is ridiculously too low.

My ending

After Hoover Dam go to the lucky 38,

Disable house,

place him in a biogel,

Take him to big mountain,

Use the tec there to clone his body,

Place his brain inside the new body,

Place a bomb collar / kill switch onto his body which i will always be able to activate ( maybe a switch on the roof of my mouth of a passphrash nobody would ever think to use). Ill give the phrase to someone i can trust, maybe Raul or Veronica because they slightly understand process vs morals, then ill give them immortality through houses tec

Give House back new vegas and tell him what i have done... ill tell him its cool to progress and evolvehumamity but i cant let you step on "whether good or bad" every single person you view as a threat like the kings when they were only helping and the ncr just because they believen democracy. I would act as the Arbiter of autocracy until either me or house fades away in time

I get what you're saying but it's the most reliable count we CAN get from in game sources outside of moving to pure speculation. Given what we got, I'd say the NCR could muster the strength to do it. Would it be at a high cost? Meh about the same as the BoS-NCR war probably.

Mr House is smart, he will think of a way to get pass that bomb collar.

Aside from the fact that games sources (ie. counting the number you can see) is really no better than guessing a number. Its too unreliable and doesn't account for the fact that these numbers are what they are for gameplay reasons.

Like I said, go count up the number of Legion and NCR soldiers fighting at Hoover Dam. Now can you honestly say that number is a reasonable amount for two of the mightiest and most populous nations on the continent engaging in battle?


Perhaps, perhaps not. I don't believe so. Unless they are fully 100% committed to an all out war with House and are willing to throw away everything they've got, then no.

Keep in mind, the Courier can threaten Oliver with "rolling securitrons into the NCR" (ie. attacking the NCR) and Oliver takes this as a very much legitimate threat. What does that tell you?

He wont.. but id have to up this "bomb collar" frequency and reliability plus update it every +years but my plan will be flawless

We'll have to agree to disagree on the level of commitment it would take from the NCR. But given the fact Oliver know's he'll lose his glory and job in the event of such an action it doesn't surprise me. Further considering Oliver is a horrible tactician and strategist I don't put much stock into his assessment of threats to be honest. Nor do I see any possiblity of House's securitrons winning in an offensive battle in California. Besides the NCR's REAL power armored troopers, their quasi-troopers, their Veteran Rangers, Patrol Rangers, mercancies, their thousands upon thousands of troopers, vertibirds (and probably and a functional air force and mechanized units) and ability to reproduce energy weapons, pulse weapons, nuclear weapons and just high shelf guns in general.

In the end I see the threat of war between House and the NCR to be quite high in the medium term. But then again who knows maybe the House really does always win.

Bingo, the House does always Win.

Independence ending in a nutshell.

Under the sign of the Bull, you will win.

That makes you just like House so your no better then him.

True if Legion took Hooverdam they would wipe out NCR but Mr. House has plans which I think are better then NCR and the Legion.

Right now, we've been discussing what House has done pre-Hoover Dam. After his ending? Mr. House makes it clear what he wants to do. He's going to ransom Hoover Dam power to the NCR to make a load of money off them in that sense, and "after a few months, half-a-year, the tourists (and their money) will be pouring in. Vegas will be a shining jewel in the middle of the desert. An oasis of light. A beacon, to show mankind the way to the stars." (-Mr. H) So, we get a picture that if you play the cards right, and spare Kimball, his economy will go under for about half a year, but the NCR citizens will return to New Vegas to do what they always do. Win-and-lose fortunes in the blink of an eye. So he's getting two sources of money right-off the bat. The future of Westside is unknown, although it is likely that he annexed it with his securitrons, considering they don't have a ruling body. That's a third source of income.

What does House want to do with the money? Well, for starts, give some to the Courier. This much is already known by the way he talks to you and the way the ending plays out. "He [gives] every luxury at his disposal to the Courier, out of gratitude, and a quiet sense of pride in his choice of lieutenants," (-Ron Perlman). "[He's] not offering an incentive as crude as money, although there will be plenty of that," (-Mr. H). What will he do with his money on a large-scale? "Give [him] 20 years, and [he'll] reignite the high development sectors," (-Mr. H). So, basically he's going to bring back the Old World Economy and Technology. Before you know it, instead of having men and women do construction work, he can have Mr. Handys and Robobrains working on such. So, mankind is progressing, while mankind doesn't actually have to fight or build, because the securitrons (and possibly other robots) would do it for them.

"Vegas' economy is a blast furnace that can forge the steel of a new rail line, running straight over the horizon," (-Mr. H). So, he's going to use Vegas' economy to resurrect Old World values and progress (except for Democracy). In the short term, Mr. House will only care about New Vegas. That's a given, considering that Vegas is the key to his goals. But, "Mr. House's walls are his power. They'll get bigger. The Mojave'll become Vegas," (-Ulysses). A good thing about the House ending, is that the ending is good for Legion and NCR as well. The NCR retreats, publicly disgraces Oliver, kicks Kimball out of office, and elects individuals with more integrity and less war-mongering tendencies, such as Hanlon, while still maintaining business relations with Robert Edwin House.

The Legion also needs to stay where it is. While their forces are annihilated in the Mojave, they were not wiped out. The tribes in Arizona need them, considering that the Legion swallowed them all up. So, with Lanius at the helm, you can convince him that the West is a trap that should not waste the blood of the Legion. He goes back and colonizes his territory. All-the-while, Mr. House makes more-and-more-and-more-and-more-and-more-and-more-and-more money.

Thats why House should win at Hooverdam as he keeps 2 factions alive unlike NCR or Legion and Indy which kills 2 factions and indy kills 3.

With this whole NCR soldier vs. Securitron, you're missing a big point. Securitrons don't conform to many of the basic ideas of warfare. You can't crush the morale of a Securitron. You can't cut off the supply line that a Securitron needs. Securitrons can march on 24/7 since they run on fission batteries (don't they?).

Besides, NCR would be stupid to fight House. A big reason why the U.S lost the Vietnam War was that the people back home didn't support it. No NCR citizen would support a war with House. They've probably seen or heard what the Securitrons can do and many NCR troopers will have family back home, family that would protest the war to send their family members back home.