Im not talking about nuking, but he would have to attack those armies at some time. NCR and Legion are a threat, he′s robot army is limited, even though its strong and big, and there are more customers then the NCR out there. NCR are just he′s best customers but he clearly has enough caps to supply he′s army, he doesnt need more, but of course he wants more. Thats what Vegas does, svcks money out of normal people and gives it to the rich, which is why NCR want it.That [censored] about saving people, well they are not there for the good of everyone. People refuse their claim of Vegas, still they roll over everyone and do not help Locals. [censored]s.

And they keep flashing their dike to the east. Like caesar is going to care. Ill reshape the statue of the rangers into a gun pointing out west. When im done with Vegas NCR is gonna wish they wouldnt have [censored] with me.

Here I had you figured for a NCR fan
Kinda arguing the same point here

I don't OPPOSE the NCR philisophically, just their forceful expansion into Vegas. They have other regions they could spread their imperialism into, leave Vegas be. Also, I don't believe in Democracy or that NCR is better for Vegas in the long run. One is an inefficient system, the other is because the NCR would just strip Vegas of it's resources and leave it with nothing but heavy taxes like anywhere else. The fact that they say 'The resources here would do a lot of people back home a lot of good' is proof they don't see Vegas as a new part of NCR, just a gold mine to strip of anything valuable. At least under House, you know all the resources of the Vegas region of the Mojave are going to THAT region, not being strip mined like NCR would.

I can't speak for House but I usually would nuke both of them and kill Ceasar. Legion's still strong with Legate Lanius and NCR isn't really affected because they still have the armies at McCarren Camp Golf and Hoover Dam. NCR still has Kimball and he will still want the Hoover Dam thus more money pouring in to House.

Not if you just nuked the Legion....Without them NCR will wallce into Vegas and rip it from House's decaying corpse at any time because the only reason they can't is because the Legion is snapping at their heels.

House could easily build rocket ships, he has securitrons they work for free.
He has an almost unlimited amount of scrap, and the brain capacity and with his super computers, he could make schematics for rocket ships, and fly them to space from Repconn...

But like eveyone else says, he needs the NCR for now, and the Legion to threaten the NCR.
as well one how many nukes do you fire? Is it like one each?
And from the aftermath of the nukes, you only stop two trade routes, one Legion, and one NCR, and the NCR one is in trouble anyway......

House aint going to space, he′s just a crazy madman. And i wouldnt really nuke NCR in real life, but since they are my enemy ill make an exception. OHHHH and you Legion, dont worry im nuking you too.

I kinda feel bad for NCR, they were too weak to survive the Divide. Oh well they could have had so much power with those nukes.

I support house. I nuke neither side, I want the NCR's money, and I want the legion around to keep the NCR occupied. Sure, they may attack us once in a while, but they'll never make any ground with the fire power we bring to the table. The NCR's gota have a "boogie man" to focus on, and keep them destracted. Im sure their military contractors, bankers, and government officials will be thankfull as well.As the orwellian saying goes, "war is peace".This is but one application of many for it.

But, this is not my main reasoning behind my decision. The future that Mr. House and I will bring in will be an enlightend one. One humanity has never seen before. It cant begine by using Atomic Weapons. Atomic Weapons are the worlds most advanced form of savagery(oxymoronic?). According to Ulyssys(sp?), the Nukes will hit much of the NCR's cities, and many of the legions. Countless lives will be lost, it will be mass murder at our hands, and the cycle will have made yet another rotation. Like in " A Canticle for Leibowits", hamanity will have destroyed itself, built itself up again, only to destroy itself once more. Now, I know we arnt destroying the whole world again, and humanity hasnt build itself up to the point that it was in canticle, but you get my point. The cycle must end, or at least be stalled for a while...

We house supporters (IMO) cant say we are ushering in a brand new, enlightend future for humanity by starting it with such a backwards act of destruction and chaos. Its counter to the flag we carry.

If I remember correctly, Ulyssess told me he was going to lay waste to all of NCR's mayjor cities, and he would do it to the legions' as well if he had to.

Wrong, Ulysses has two missles, one aimed for Dry Wells, which this missile is on stand-by, and the active missile, which is aimed for the Long 15. This route is important for the NCR's foreign occupation of New Vegas, but it is also a vital tradeline for the businesses in Vegas as well. Bombing the Long 15 would not 'kill NCR', but it would, in Ulysses' words. 'cut the throat of the bear', causing NCR to suffer in Vegas, and would likely help the Legion win at Hoover Dam, it's basically the equivalent of causing the same trouble the destruction of The Divide caused for NCR 4 years prior.

So no, Ulysses does not have a myriad of missiles at his disposal, the missiles in the bunker are apparently unusable bar two of them, one aimed at his home when he was a Twisted Hair, the other a tactical attack on NCR.

Something people continually ignore to no end.

Guys dont post spoilers about this. I got nothing seriously against it but you are in general discussion and some people want to find it out themselves. We can make another topic about it in the spoiler section.

Don't mean to say "NO!" Just being a realist here, but...
It's gonna happen. The game is over a year old now and as you probably know already, there's plenty of philosophical debate to be had within the thread. Hell, this thread alone is basically me questioning what a capitalist would do if he WAS given a sure-fire way to destroy all competition; if he would see it as beneficial or no.
But yeah, discussions like this general lead to people citing in game opinions and events. This thread involves a certain possibility (which should be made known, thanks to the game trailers), and most threads discussing "who's the best for the Mojave" are gonna lead towards people citing events etc. Don't read those!

But yeah, sorry. Don't mean to spoil it. I guess people make threads here nowandays because the forums aren't SUPER crowded, so splitting up threads between the four forums we have would only make them that much less active.

I dont mind that much, as i tend to forget things that i havent seen in the game, but i have lost some gameplay experience by seeing spoilers being posted in the forums in EXAMPLE skyrim. I just think that people need to think. But you are probably right people probably have all completed that since the game is old.

It's not that we're not aware or so, but yeah, the forums aren't super crowded, and a lot of what we discuss has to do with the morality of our choices and such, which inevitably leads to someone saying "But Mr. House is totally heartless. Just look at the case of SPOILER*****"
For what it's worth, I don't think this thread has any major spoilers (I see one, detailing a certain character's plans). A lot of the info here can be figured out via the game trailers. But yeah, just be warned that threads that typically involve moral debates about the factions? Those are where spoilers will arise.

Hmm, I swear I remember him tlling me he was going to destroy the ncrs' cities, but maybe I was wrong. I havnt played lonesome road since september after all, so my memory is a little cloudy I gues.

Either way, my opinions still stand for me, for both tactics, and ethics.

This

I agree that in the short term, the Mojave probably wouldn't be better off in the NCR than if they were independent, but in the long-term economic integration (and probably eventual statehood) into the West Coast would be a huge boon. I guess this isn't really supported by anything in-game, but the NCR in this game seems to be an anolog of 19th-century United States - I don't think I need to argue that the American Midwest today is probably better off in the United States than if they had remained independent somehow.

An independent Mojave, post-Second-Battle-of-Hoover-Dam, is in a very precarious position - a minor power sandwiched between a definitely hostile empire of raiders and a fickle democracy. A large part of House's plan relies on Kimball losing public support for staying in the Mojave, but what happens when the wheel turns and a hawkish president gets elected again? They wouldn't even have to invade the Mojave to cause harm - just an embargo would cause House's revenue stream to shrivel up. House being House, he probably has some sort of plan for this, but I still think it's a shakier bet for the Mojave than throwing their lot with the NCR.

@democracy, I suppose in House's case House's autocracy is a better system practically than the democracy of the NCR - but that's only because House is enlightened and immortal. The moment either of those two conditions change, that will no longer be the case.

I don't know man. I mean it is explicitly a topic about Lonesome Road. And you also brought up the NCR and the Divide in the previous post, probably a spoiler too if you want to be mean about it.

Oh sorry my bad But House may be immortal and a [censored] rich ass genius but he clearly doesnt care about the lesser people, only about like everyone says, progress. Whats the point of making progress if people cant enjoy it? An independent Vegas can go two ways, it can help the people and anarchy, which aint always bad, or it can be a TOTAL ANARCHY BASED ON CHAOS. the first anarchy, which helps people is based on mere freedom then just anarchy, as people can tend to themselves instead of taxes.

First off, House ISN"T immortal, he's not in a stasis chamber, it's a life support system. (Sorry, hate it when people try to use 'he's immortal' as some crutch 'evi' arguement.

But anywho, I know that, but when House kicks NCR out of Vegas, NCR will end up cleaning house and getting a new political line up, and by the time NCR is ready start rolling again, House will have Vegas a monumental city by then. It's the best of both worlds.

@ R.J.- You must be very short sighted, no Anarchy in a region the size of Vegas stays a 'good' anarchy. Someone with muscle will come along and bully their way to power, it's a vicious cycle of humanity.

Though he's not currently immortal he's certainly working towards immortality. Considering his genius, I'd give him a good shot at achieving it.


Also, when propping up a man for full autocratic control with a super-uber robot army it's quite appropriate to note his virtual (and potentially actual) immortality,

Unless through intervention by God, men cannot achieve true immortality, the human body is prone to decay, it's what it does. I quite frankly find 'he's an immortal abomination' arguements to be simple minded points and disregard them. Functional means that it works just as well. Our society of today are freaks because a couple hundred years ago, living into your 80s or 100s was absurd, modern medicine is constantly delaying, but not preventing death.

TL;DR- I fail to see a legitimate answer in your point.

Ok thanks for clearing that up - House isn't working towards "true" immortality, just "functional" immortality ("works just as well"). It sort of defeats the purpose of creating a new category when you equate it with another.

Nice strawman with the "He's an abomination," "He's a freak" point. I never once made made that argument and honestly I wouldn't mind in the slightest if Joe-Shmoe from down the street achieves his own functional immortality - it's when you prop up Immortal Joe with his own autocracy with the backing of a massive robot army that I have a problem with.

Again with the immortality.

And having House in command of the massive army is best because if the worst comes to the worst it will be possible to kill House, it wouldn't be possible to kill Yes man (unless you destroyed every securitron, every computer in the lucky 38 and the bunker and also every Robco computer within range of the lucky 38's transmitters) in the NCR's hands, sure most presidents might use it responsibly, but it only takes one bad president or judgmental error and the NCR could tear itself apart, resulting i9n the death of many many people. Caesar would have the place destroyed

As for House's autocracy, well I think House is just best for the Mojave for many reasons, we'll leave it at that

I'd agree, but Josh Sawyer basically confirmed that Yes Man doesn't run amok in the Independent ending. He remains loyal to the Courier.