The Legion? Yes.

I would go in this order for Mr. House

1. Nuke Legion, not NCR
2. Nuke Neither
3. Nuke Both
4. Nuke NCR

Legion, although they may not be a threat, they are slavers that might one day make a big army again, big enough to inflict losses on House′s robot army. NCR are the reason House is as rich as he is, and nuking them would turn the cards, and probable just make the NCR more hostile, or make them scared its hard to say. But one thing stands, NCR is House′s profit. Without them he would not gain nearly as much money, but it is uncertain if they will gun for Vegas in the future, they tend to overextend themselves so i think they will.
Legion, well Lanius is not known for running away from a fight, and if he does in some cases in the endings, then he will surely bring alot of manpower to the frontlines, which could result in a... problem. So their aint really a ''best'' way to handle the situation, its really hard to say who you should nuke. Just put some facts together and believe that you are doing the right thing.

Thats all. love from the Sink.

Right, from my tactic you've eliminated their leadership, so that's Caesar and Lanius dead, no considering the fighting skill of Vulpes he has probably died if not completely fled to the shadows, Lucius' loyalty would have resulted in his death also. Now that would be all of the main people in the Legion dead, without a leader of any kind present word would spread back East and those people would be 'free' with no goverment at all. Which means they'd set up their own and from there you can/could open up trade with them, since they may view you as their hero - Speculating that Legion living isn't quite lovey-dovey so they'd open up to you for freeing them.
As much as I don't like the line, and this is just a wild theory/scenario, "Most of the Legion is following Caesar, not Caesar's ideals. When he's gone, it'll crumble." and in my scenario this is the case, and from the disarray of the Legion people you emerge and restore a sense of balance in their land - not spreading too far east though, let them come to you.

Sorry for the late reply, had a three-day posting ban for saying a weally bad word.

I think you may have misunderstood my point. I did not bring up his immortality (obviously, true immortality is impossible, I'm just assuming that he won't die of old age for centuries, in which time he may have eliminated ageing altogether through SCIENCE) as an argument that he's an abomination or anything of the sort. Is that an argument that is commonly used?

Anyway, what I was saying was that if he's 'immortal' and no longer enlightened - say he goes mad like the Think Tank or simply becomes paranoid beyond all reason - he will be a terrible tyrant with an iron grip on power. If he remains enlightened but somehow snuffs it, House's autocratic system becomes prone to all the classic problems of absolute dictatorships with no accountability - graft, tyranny, long-term instability. His mantle passes to another person, who may or may not be qualified, and who now has absolute power to do as he or she wishes.

Not that it matters that much in this discussion, but I'm not really that against House per se - I would say that out of the four endings I consider the NCR and House ones to be the 'good' ones. I just ultimately incline more towards the NCR.

See, the thing about the Think Tank is that they are brains in a jar, Mr. House is in a life support machine. The key difference is that House is still human, he has all of his organs, his hormones, etc. The reason the Think Tank and other brains in jars apparently go insane, from my understanding, is the lack of a body. As for control on power, there is no real evil to his actions. The only 'evil' is if you do things with sentiment to NCR, IE forcing Primm under the NCR military, or siding the Kings with NCR. But given the way House has run things the past seven years, in ten years I have faith a lot of Vegas would be restored to it's pre-war image, with a healthy trade relationship with NCR.

He isn't human he counts as an abomination like a Trog

It's funny because it's actually true.

And Caesar is evil, he counts as an Evil character like a Fiend.

But on a serious note, I found counting House as an abomination as subjective. By that logic, any person living on life support IRL is an abomination because it's extending their life.

How come i havent been banned? LOL

Because the site automatically censors most words, and some words that should be censored are not, most likely.

No he's neutral, it's just stupid people keep marking him as evil on the wiki

Technically they are, they should be dead but they're not - what is that if not an abomination .
I don't think he has actual flowing blood or working organs...or does he

No, it's because he probably avoided the censor on multiple times or swore far too much to consider his post a legitimate reply.
Avoiding the censor would be like misspelling a word or using numbers/symbols to dodge the censor.
Talking about a ban you get is also bannable IIRC.

House is a abomination, but he is willing to risk pay that price for progress and power. If only he would actually help the poor people, i would surely support him, but he doesnt care about mere men, even though he is smart.

I wasn't going by the Wiki, I assumed he was evil because I gain karma when I kill him, but that was ages ago, so maybe it was when I shot him and vulpes within nanoseconds of each other.

No, he's all human, he even says, 'Don't let the terminals and video screens fool you, I'm flesh and blood, not silicon.'

You might get good karma for it but he's not actually evil, I think that's just a biased thing in the game. I've not killed him since my first playthrough and NCR one to remember if he does give good karma.

I'd like to know more about how his machine works, and what would happen if he died (if he can) inside the chamber - like would he just shut off and the whole network die or would his brain remain active

Now I'm equally as curious as to if people think House, if given the chance, would manipulate the Kings to support the NCR so he has an excuse to drive them out OR manipulate the Kings to fight the NCR.

Any opinions on that?

While the concept of evil is subjective by social stigma, I think Caesar could be considered evil because he does overly harsh and brutal things soley because he THINKS that's how it should be done. He KNOWS there's more peaceful alternatives, but instead chooses the more blood thirsty options. Crucifixions, enslavement, town genocides, bombings, et cetera. The point is, his political extremism is, for all intents and purposes, done for little philosophic reason and mostly just an over elaborate display of ego.

Is the Legion evil? That's harder to pinpoint, while we some independent thought like the Silus who preferred life over death, as per Caesar's orders, but most of the Legion is quintessentially brainwashed and conditioned to have loyalty unto Caesar and all he says is true. They even hate the Followers of the Apocalypse SOLEY because, in their minds, the Followers 'sully' the name of Caesar, in fact, the only way the Followers would ESCAPE from Caesar is as long as he remains alive and wins, if Lanius wins, then he has them killed.

Given when you kill him the network stays online, as power is flowing to the Strip, the Securitrons are online, and the screen says 'connection lost', it would indicate if House dies, then he only dies, while the network itself will go on. I kind of like that, it shows even should he die, he had humanities interests at hand, not a 'IF YOU KILL ME I'M TAKING IT ALL WITH ME' scenario.

Edit @ Longknife- I'd think he'd keep them by letting them go to War. Think about it, they already dress as a Pre-War icon, IE Elvis Presley, so he doesn't even need to 'convert' them from Tribal, in time they'd be another gimmick just like the Three Families.

Ok true, but again I'm sort of asking on behalf of Capitalism personified rather than Mr. House, too. Mr. House does seem to have a love for old world themes and he doesn't seem too fond of nukes, so those questions can somewhat be thrown out for him.
But if we're thinking STRICTLY profit, then which option is more profitable?

Hence the conundrum of this thread. A House playthrough focuses on profit and progress, but with some situations, like the nukes and the Kings, it's hard to measure the profits as both options seem viable.

I'd still say the same thing. He doesn't need to focus much time on them to change them, and when he asserted his power as the sole leader of New Vegas, the Kings could be a gimmicky tourist guide group or something, bringing in more money for Vegas, or perhaps they'd preform as the 'Kings Nightclub' They have the music, the stage, and the club space.

But how does taking the peaceful option make it the right option, it might be easier to do and cost less lives but it doesn't make it any safer or anymore valid than a brutal approach. A 'peaceful' to things is more likely to fail when dealing with unruly people, NCRCF is an example of how being peaceful fails, those men weren't corrected and still commit crimes and went as far to revolt and overrun the place. Then there's the brutal approach which doesn't give room to failings like the NCRCF because those criminals would be dead or dying on cross striking fear into others showing why they shouldn't step out of line.

It might not be because he had humanities interests as much as he may have over looked it or otherwise not cared what happened after he died. But even at that the "connection lost" screen appears when you kill him outside they chamber or you leave him out of it disconnecting and effectively killing him. I want to know what happens when he dies naturally though inside the chamber without any outside interference, or if he does still have a life span.

You're picking an intentionally hostile place. I'm referring to Nipton and Nelson mostly, as well as Caesar dirty bombing Searchlight. All of these actions were far from necessary. Just because Nipton was a place of vice doesn't justify 'LOL I KEEL U! ^__^' or Nelson, just because NCR was occupying it, they butchered the citizens as well. And just because Searchlight was occupied too doesn't justify this behaviour. The Legion focuses on terrorism to prove a point, a point that could be proven in a myriad of other ways.


Not really, when you kill House, it's not 'my wealth' he screams, it's his brokenhearted cry that you've ruined his plans to bring humanity back on rails from the track it was derailed from. House's network is basically programmed to carry on upon his death. As for him dying, it wouldn't matter. The reason House if you unplug/kill him is 'Connection Lost' is because his vital systems shut down. So when he dies of age, his heart, his mind, and all other organs will die with him.

Nipton is the only other one that stands out from the Legion's actions, Searchlight and Nelson were/are war targets and points of interest in the war. You can't go to war and bargain your way across the river and into the hearts of your enemy, how could they take over Searchlight or Nelson in a 'better' way. Nelson has like 8 house and at that they're cabins and the place is more of a military outpost than a town with the only dead/dying bodies around being NCR troopers - No evidence of civilian life.
So if you were in a war and the enemy had fortified the main route to their land (Hoover Dam) you wouldn't look elsewhere to gain entry across the river? If you did would you not think to eliminate the enemy bases nearest you that pose a threat? That is what Legion did, took up positions and infiltrated a base and eliminated future threats from that direction which fortifies their position in the region - you'd be a fool not to take this chance. Nelson and Searchlight were not terrorism, they were tactical acts of war and vital points to take to strengthen themselves and humiliate the enemy

Seems he took a bit of a gamble then with the machine if he could have died at any moment during the Great War and [X] amount of years until he awoke.

I'm not arguing that he is evil at all, insofar as his actions in-game go. I don't even think he's wrong in insisting on wiping out the BoS. But you don't need to lack a body to become insane or an unreasonable tyrant. Absolute power is more than enough to warp sanity and reason.

I think the karma system is flawed - it's a relic from FO3 that doesn't really belong to the more morally ambiguous world of New Vegas. For one, you're not automatically a good person if you kill a bunch of evil people.


While it does show that he's not spiteful, I think seeing altruistic interest in that is a stretch, I always just assumed that it was him being arrogant and not thinking that the Courier could/wanted to kill him. House doesn't concern himself with conventional morality.

On the other hand, unlike the Three Families, the Kings are principled (or at least, the King is), which means their support cannot be bought with caps or luxuries, should Mr. House decide to expand his influence into Freeside.

I disagree, absoulte power doesn't warp your sanity, it depends on your morales and attitudes. House could arguably be said to have had 'absolute power' as a VERY large chunk of his robots ran on his machines and devices, if he REALLY wanted to, he could have staged a coup de tat and taken over the US, but his interest ultimately isn't 'power for giggles', it's control to ensure the future is put back on track. The Pre-War world had many technical marvels lost or near lost in the War, like Microfusion Cells, those could have been used as a power source had America not been so war minded. With House at the helm of Vegas, he could help bring this type of marvel back into then near future.

As for Karma, I'd say it depends on intentions. If you're a white knight doing good, yeah. If you kill off the fiends because they are a conflict of interest in your peace interests, that'd probably chalk you up to neutral. While good and evil are in all obstensive neutrality a subjective concept, I can't help but agree. However, sometimes we have to do a little bad to do a lot of good in this world.

Never said he was an altruist, I merely stated he has humanities interests at heart. Where it Caesar in his place, he'd likely have said 'IM TAKING YOU ALL DOWN WITH ME' and activated some kind of failsafe that fried circuits and power. Caesar is all ego. While House is undeniably with an ego, I'd say given his resume of accomplishments, it'd be hard NOT to, but House is stern because he feels his vision of progress is right, and frankly, so do I.

I'd like to think that. But there's a reason there's a saying of 'Everyone has a price'. If someone doesn't take the bribe, it's not because they are incorruptible, you just didn't name the right price. The Slitherkin, the Bootstraps, whatever the White Glove Society were called, they were 'principled' in certain mindsets, but they sold out for the money and power. There is no such thing as an unbribable person.

OMG u guys arguing if Nelson, Nipton and Searchlight was terrorism? Cause more or less it was, Nelson got burned down, civilians got burned down with it. YES there were civilians, it was a town, occupied by NCR. Searchlight, not sure if their were citizens, but it was a outpost occupied by NCR too, but the thing they did to wipe it out as a threat was just a dirty trick, even i didnt make the Legion camp radioactive (the harbor cant remember the name) and i hate the Legion. Using a radiation bomb doesnt justify it, even if it was a enemy camp. Pain for all the soldiers but thats the Legions ways.
Nipton was a bad town, granted, but it didnt deserve to go down the way it did. Almost everyone burned, enslaved or crucified, while one guy (which kinda is a four eyed [censored]) gets realised, and the rest are made handicapped by breaking their feet or whatever. Sick. Thats how i got introduced to the Legion, and since then i have sworn myself that in every playthrough i kill Caesar. Which reminds me, i havent killed him yet in my new playthrough, i better get going.
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