Well they help unify the Forebears and Crowns from their long standing conflict with each other which couldn't be better news for the Redguards.

Long story short.

They aren't powerful because of numbers. They're powerful because they actually http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Rising_Threat,_Vol._IV. The empire was completely caught off guard, they had a weak military at the time, and ignored the repeated incursions into empire territory. Good intel and tactics can do a LOT for fighting a war.

They've got a bit of a problem right now though. They got a bit too overconfidant and decided to occupy almost all their forces in cyrodiil, and those forces got wiped out. This is why they're playing mainly spygame again right now. Instigating witch hunts for talos hunters to sow civil discontent, supporting both sides of the civil war, and gathering intel on what situations and forces cyrodiil has. Oh and bribing officials where they can.

Keep the empire in disarray while they can rebuild their forces. The WGC is highly benefitting the thalmor right now and the longer it goes on, the better chance they'll have against the empire.

No particular one of import. It says without a main power in the first era, they used to war with those of their border and inside a lot including Khajiit. Which likely stopped after the first Dominion was established.

The only proof behind that is vague mentions of crystals in Summerset. Why would the Altmer want anything to do with a Daedra? They have despised the Daedra for thousands of years.

If you look at the wiki it says that kvatch,bravil,etc. were some of the cities that were destroyed during the Great War, and it said that the white-gold-tower collapsed.

I agree, the crystal like law and the crystals of Jyggalag is way too literal of a comparison. Altmer don't seem like the type to think so literally to me.

This. This is why the Dominion was so powerful. The Empire was in disarray while they were able to consolidate their power (through methods which are still uncertain) and prepare for invasion. The Empire was thrown completely off guard by the superior Aldmeri attack. This is why, as the war continued, the Empire had more success, because the Dominion's advantage wore off.

If you look at the wiki it says that kvatch,bravil,etc. were some of the cities that were destroyed during the Great War, and it said that the white-gold-tower collapsed.

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Uh

what

Is this like the Encyclopedia Dramatica wiki or something?

Was this UESP or the Skyrim wiki? If the latter, then I'm not surprised. It was sacked, but I don't remember anything saying it collapsed. You can even see it in game at the right locations.

If you do some cheats you can see the white gold tower which is just a memorial of those who died in the collapse

like is said, its not the most probable, but i still think it would be a cool twist

only proof to support the claim is how Summerset Isle has a connection with crystals, the rumor in Oblivion "daedra worship is becoming increasingly prevalent in the Summerset Isle" which was around the same time of Jyggalags release, and the Thalmors urge to impose their concept of "order"..


Like I said, its probably the least probable of the possibilities, but wow it could make for an interesting setting for a future game....

You're just wrong

Can you give me a source on this? I want to correct it before more people read it.

You have to realize the Empire gave up half of Hammerfell and when the Redguards continued the Empire gave up the entire province (believing they don't have a chance) thus helping the Thalmor with that goal. The whole Redguard vs Thalmor war and the Redguards victory isn't considered a part of the Great War or anything to do with the Empire. Some people would say sowing discontentment between the Imperial provinces was part of the Thalmor's plans, I'd say that is arguable though.

Then their other objection was the ultimatum that the ambassador originally gave which they achieved once the WGC was signed. It was not out of the window. Oh and lets not forget the Thalmor justiicar's free reign within the Empire and many of it's spies. A decisive strategic victory for the Dominion right there.

Taking over the Empire was the only thing they failed.

I wouldn't say this a military victory for the Thalmor but as a strategic or a mostly political victory, for them that is undeniable.

White gold tower has been around for several eras now. It wasn't just built. All in game sources state White Gold is still up. Crystal-Like-Law tower on Summerset Isles collapsed. Perhaps thats what they're thinking of?

Never underestimate the power of surprise. The Dominion assault on the Empire blindsided them, and was almost flawlessly executed afterwards. With it's legions out of place, no forward supply set up, and with the Dominion forces hitting fast and hard enough to keep the Legion off balance, it's perfectly believable that the elves' war could be waged so well. Keep in mind that the Dominion most certainly had operatives of their own in the Empire, stirring the pot, interfering with orders and doing everything they could to spread chaos.

Much as I detest the dominion, they waged both the line and intelligence wars extremely well. What stopped them was smart Legion generals trading territory for time to allow the soldiers behind them to rally.

So you just said that the Dominion failed to take Hammerfell. That was one of their goals, was it not? And they failed. They have none of Hammerfell. And the Empire did not abandon the Redguards because "they had no chance". It was because failing to do so would have continued the war and lead to the likely destruction of the Empire.

You can't correct it

I didn't say the Dominion achieved all their goals, what I meant was that the War was an overall victory for the Dominion.

Is it ESwiki?

Because Jyggalag is clearly unlike the other Daedra, and is a complete myth pre 4th era. And because his sphere aligns with them, and he is an enemy to his Daedric brothers.

And it's not vague. The similarities are practically slapping us in the face. It all fits in nicely.

Please explain how and why Jyggalag could undo Mundus and reunite mer with Auriel. I don't see it. At all. It has nothing to do with order.

I just did

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/White_Gold_Tower_(Structure)

What do you think the crystals represent? Stasis.

What are you doing when you crystallize something? You are preserving it.

What is Jyggalag doing when he crystallizes people? You get mindless Knights of Orde.

What is happening when you crystallize the land? Stasis. No change or chaos.

Watch, Hevnoraak is going to argue how the Deadlands of Oblivion is a better afterlife for Nords like he did in another thread.