Anyone can write anything on the TES Wiki. That's why its unreliable. No one goes there for actual information.

Load of lies the Wiki is. If you want real information, go the uesp or the Imperial Library.

Sure. Let's just pretend that that makes sense. I'll humor you.

You seem to be forgetting the giant dragon statue in the Temple of the One which prevents this from happening.

It's going to happen one way or another.

Eh, I'm not feeling it. The Crystal like law after all was dedicated to their ancestors. I.E. not daedra which he is.

Undoing Mundus would end the constant change that Lorkhan/Sheo created.

That is one way of looking at it.

The Thalmor are going to fail, and Jyggalag can predict anything. He could use them as a means to acqquire loyal followers and souls, or whatver else the Principalities need to manifest on Nirn to be a tangible communicable presence.

Jyggalag is smarter than he looks, even if predictable and stubborn. He's not going to try and force his gig on Oblivion again. Tamriel is fair game though. The other Princes mess with it. now he wants a slice of the action. And he's the friggin answer to the Thalmor's prayers. Being adorned in crystal armor is a plus.

The full theory:

What you are suggesting would be blocked by Martin's sacrifice. After the crisis, we don't see anything more than the individual conjuring of atronachs and some Dremora. The time of the Daedra on Mundus has passed.

I mean, sure, maybe the Thalmor would consult with Jygg through a summoning or whatever. He can't manifest on Nirn. He can't stage an invasion or make such drastic changes to the world that you are suggesting. The Daedric Lords we witness in Skyrim are mostly limited to their shrines.

And then they are going to "help" forment all the old animosity between the Crowns and Forbears. Millennia of rivalry don't just disappear in a couple decades. Unless they step up their counter-intel efforts to levels beyond even the Blades' before their purge, Hammerfell will tear apart again, and the Dominion will walk right back in.

Hammerfell only succeeded at kicking the Dominion out. It is folly to believe that they kicked out all the Thalmor covert agents and provocateurs. These people out-cloak-and-dagger'd the BLADES.

by Dragon Statue, I am assuming you are referring to the Statue the Avatar of Akatosh became after Martin Shattered the Amulet that is supposed to take the place of the dragonfires, are you not?

it only protects against Large Scale Daedric invasions. as Haskill said in SI when you question him on the portal "it poses no threat to Mundus, so not covenant has been broken"..
and in Skyrim, we still see many Daedric Princes manifesting in Mundus. Sanguine, Hermaeus Mora, and Nocturnal for examples..

Jyggalag no longer has a realm, his realm that was once a land of order is now a land of Madness ruled by his former self...

If Jyggalag could Manifest himself in Mundus, as we have seen other Daedric Princes do, he could theoretically rebuild his army from natives to Nirn (Thalmor and the Dominion in this case) converting them to knights or Priests of Order. He no longer has a Daedric Realm to be cast back to..
the Covenant between Martin and Akatosh was able to throw Mehrunes back to Oblivion, because Mehrunes still had a realm.. which Jyggalag no longer has...

Not the point. Crystal-Like-Law represents stasis.

Jyggalag represents Stasis.

Crystals represent Stasis.

Unmaking the world leads to Stasis.

Killing everyone in your path and destroying everything, and then crystallizing it is also stasis.

Has nothing to do with the barriers. Crystal Obelisks were alien even to the Shivering Isles, and the Knights of Order function differently than the usual Daedra. Judging by Haskill's dialogue(both in-game, and then during his interview which is created by Beth developers in role-play) it is hinted that the Knights of Order are possibly people CRYSTALLIZED.

Who would have thought if one were to make something so painfully obvious people will gloss over it.

Nevermind the Daedra, and Altmer hate Daedra for a darn second. For Arkay's sake!

The Thalmor are EXTREMISTS and Jyggalag is not some cuddly Daedric Prince we all know and love. He's hated by them, more-so than Malacath. Who is Malacath? He used to be Auri-El's champ. Oh boy! Who could Jyggy be?!

The Empire was extremely lazy and they never took the Blades warning seriously. They should've listened to Talos, instead he's illegal.

Mehrunes Dagon represents war and battle among other things as does Boethia yet Nords aren't marching to them any time soon, and their chief god died.

Having the much of the most powerful magic users in Tamriel probably helps the Aldmeri Dominion greatly.

In-game sources state that White Gold Tower still stands, but is said to be significantly damaged in some way (at least externally), perhaps beyond repair. The Moth Priest in Dawnguard briefly mentions the state of the Imperial City.

Jyggalag is a Daedra. Everything we know about him point to this. Everything you said is speculation. And I don't see how you get "the Knights of Order are CRYSTALLIZED PEOPLE!!!" They spawn out of the obelisks. People who swear allegiance to Jyggalag do not become Knights. They stay as people.

Once again, please link me to your sources. All we know is that the palace was sacked. OK. Even if they burned the whole thing, the tower is made of stone. And I don't even think it could be destroyed through conventional means. You need powerful magic to destroy a Tower, I believe.

Let's hope the Nords never become as desperate as the Thalmor then.

Empire was caught with their pants-down, so to speak, they have been politically fractured ever since the end of the Septim dynasty. I don't think the Dominion is so powerful a foe, Hammerfell was able to fight them off single-handedly, but they did grasp a vital strategic moment and made great use of it. I think that Lore will, in the future, see Cyrodiil waxing in power again.

http://www.imperial-library.info/node/2234

"Dyus, your master, too, has personal servants. Since the last Greymarch, there have been reports of mighty hulking creatures known as "Knights of Order". Strangely, they seem to be nothing more than empty crystalline shells. Can these beings be considered "Daedra" as well, or are they entirely Jyggalag's creation and thus outside of the usual classification of Daedra?"

Answer:

The limited imaginations of Mundus’ inhabitants are very amusing. There are as many types of servants as stars in the sky. Daedra, as you call them, are but one of the more useful. The Knights of Order are yet another. My Lord Jyggalag is partial to their lack of creativity and independence.

-Dyus

"You’ve not heard the legends? How could that be? Those "beings" as you call them aren’t beings at all. They are the soulless abominations known as the http://uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Knights_of_Order. Their attraction to the Resonator isn’t surprising; it was built from one of the obelisks that dot the Isles they seem to have an affinity for. You must proceed to Sheogorath at once and tell him the Knights have returned! Quickly now... go!"

-Kiliban of Xedilian

I can't find Haskill's comment on the Knights in-game, as no one bothered to record it on the UESP... but it's there as well.

We know nothing of the nature of the Obelisks. It's all vague and open to interpretation. If you persist on Black & White: He's a typical Daedra Prince!

I find him to be very, very different in comparison. Alien to his brothers very much like Malacath is. And this can make for a spicy TES MQ line, while introducing Jyggalag as a full-time Daedric player we can communicate with and what-not.

Archers too.

Then what is Jyggalag and why was he attached to Sheogorath? What did the Dragonfires/Martin's sacrifice mean if any random "spirit" can ignore the pact?

He's just a Daedric Prince. He cannot interfere with Mundus.

Jyggalag is Auri-El. Sheogorath is Lorkhan.

The CoC mantling Sheogorath was 100% classic enantiomorph akin to what Tiber achieved.

If Sheogorath is Lorkhan's divine spark("creativity"), then Jyggalag is Auri-El's OCD personality.

I'm not saying Jyggy is going to invade Tamriel. Please re-read my theory post.

Jyggalag was powerful, powerful enough the other daedric Princes came together to curse him, and even then the curse was flawed (As shown by the Greymarch, and the fact the curse could be broken by someone mantling Sheo during the Grey march).
How many times have you seen the majority if not all Daedric Princes put aside their differences for one cause? its not an everyday occurrence, and they must have feared Jyggalags power for them to do so...


Martins Covenant prevents a large scale invasion from the realms of Oblivion, but we still see princes Manifest themselves (Sanguine, Nocturnal, and Hermaeus Mora).

but Jyggalag no longer has a realm.. he was once the Ruler of the Shivering Isles, but that now belongs to Sheo, his former self.. since he has no realm to be cast back to, he is a free-agent in the universe for lack of a better term.. If he is leading the Dominion, the Covenant can't cast him back to his realm because he no longer possesses one to be cast back to..

Not quite. Having a realm is not a factor for the Barrier. He is a native of Oblivion. He is other-wordly. So he has to follow the same rules the other Daedra do.

It's highly likely his absence in Skyrim is due to him taking the time to obsessively rebuild his own realm with meticulous detail. Could also be collaborating with the Thalmor during his leisure time of course.

The main crux of all this: Jyggalag gains the Thalmor as followers who INVOKE his sphere by obsessing with Order, and attacking other nations for that purpose. By gaining servitude, he'll be able to make his presence known to the people of Tamriel. Specifically, the OCD people obsessed with order and what-not. He wants to play the same game his brothers are playing. He wants to enforce HIS sphere on Mundus along with his brothers enforcing their crap down their followers throats.

Tamriel is fair game for him to do his thing.

but if he did manifest himself in Mundus, and some event cast him back to Oblivion, where we he be sent?

if he has not actively begun creating a new realm, he has nowhere to be banished back to.. would he once again return to the SI? or just cast into the void...?

Waters of Oblivion, where all Daedra go, including the Princes. Dagon was not instantly sent back to his realm. He was banished to the Waters, because Akatosh pretty much defeating him in combat.

When a Daedra is banished, they go through the Waters before returning to their realms. I hear it's not a pleasant experience, but the Principalities have it easier due to their immense power. Jyggy's main disadvantage was his lack of a realm. But he's tough. And persistent. and highly efficient. 200 years is enough time to build his bleak crystal paradise.

The Aldmeri Dominion is powerful in the way many nation/city-states have been over the course of history - through subterfuge and political games. They lied and tricked the Khajiit into believing they were able to restore their sacred moons and used political intrigue and subterfuge to gain Valenwood as a reluctant client in the Dominion. Then they gathered intel and played the Empire against itself to hit them when they were weakest. This, combined with their natural affinity for magic (which would akin to being able to deploy living WWI/WWII artillery and tanks in a time where swords and crossbows still are the still main arms) would allow their inferior numbers to do as well as they did against the Empire.

However, its their biggest weakness as well. If the Empire can either counter their espionage with some of their own or reveal their doings to the other races (prove they didn't restore the moons, reveal to the general populace of Valenwood how the became the Dominion's "allies") the the Dominion would be in a heaping helping of trouble.

The main misunderstanding I see with people who haven't read the game novels is that they assume the empire is as strong as it was in TES IV, not taking into account what happened after. There was a decade with no ruler, only a chancellor, and this is when Black Marsh seceded and the Red Year happened. Morrowind is gone. Orsinium is sacked by the redguard and Bretons. Then the imperial chancellor is assassinated. That started the Stormcrown Interregnum where various claimants battled for the throne.

Seven years later, Titus Mede I comes to power, having the way paved for him in the Imperial City by Hierem, a corrupt minister who believed he could be controlled. For some ten years, he's thwarted by Hierem and some parts of Cyrodiil like Leyawiin had not as yet even accepted his rule. Valenwood had by that time gone over to the Dominion, and they were trying to back rebels to retake it but with no success. Then the Umbriel crisis hits, which was probably good for the Medes in that it took Hierem out, but there was some loss of life.

There seems to be a lull of about 50 years and then the Void Nights crisis leads to Elsweyr seceding. Winterhold collapses, there is infighting in Hammerfell, and the Thalmor attack Altmer refugees in Hammerfell and High Rock.

The picture here is of a succession of crises and fires that need to be put out, while we're not certain that the Medes were ever fully in control even of Cyrodiil. The empire would have had a much reduced tax base and recruitment pool for the legion. TLDR, they were not doing well at the time the Dominion attacked. If the Thalmor had realized just how weak they were and hadn't split their attack between Cyrodiil and Hammerfell, they would probably be occupying White Gold still.