How Can This Be?

Post » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:35 pm

Beth tends to be a really tigh-knit group and know when to let out info and never have leaks, and it was just announced.


Most games are announced then left on the clothesline for a long time before there is any information. I prefer BGS's style by far.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:06 am

For he is the quizats hadarak!

I was going to say, "Open you eyes up, maybe you'll see" a SP reference, but yours was funnier. Great Job
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Jason Rice
 
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Post » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:32 pm

How did they guess it was going to be Skyrim exactly?

nobody knew for sure but there was a LOT of rumors of it. after a while i just assumed they were true.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:50 am

That's what worrys me....

What? It worries you too that it's ten months from release with nothing revealed yet?
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Jack
 
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Post » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:49 pm

Have they even shown the cover yet?
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Danial Zachery
 
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:06 am

How can Skyrim be coming out this year in a little over ten months no less and we have absolutely no info or a single screen? How often is a game ten months from release with absolutely NOTHING revealed for it?

How can it be? Enforcement of NDA's, lucrative exclusive media deals, and a marketing plan.

How often? Not nearly often enough. HOw about just 3 months of adverts and press. I've never understood why it takes so long to advertise for a new Thneed :shrug: I'm probably just cynical
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:53 am

How did they guess it was going to be Skyrim exactly?

I was in the Speculation thread (it's how I started posting). There was an interview where Todd said that we were all really patient, or something along those lines - so it was Elder Scrolls or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHRA_Drag_Racing#IHRA_Drag_Racing :P

And we thought (not knew) it was Skyrim because of the copyrights taken by Bethesda. The copyrights of 'Skyrim'.
Have they even shown the cover yet?

No but there's only 4 days to go! :D
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:05 am

how often does a game have absolutely NOTHING revealed for it with a release ten months away? Especially a mega release such as TES?


Dude your way late right now the next GI has 14 pages of information and screenshots that will do for some time until they have demonstration videos.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:54 am

January.

And we had guessed Skyrim because Beth trademarked the name Skyrim as well as the website domain www.skyrim.com. Pretty easy to guess, even though it wasn't officially announced for three years.
I gotta ask where do you guys go to see what trademarks the people from beth have filed for I have visited several sites and I cant figure it out ?
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:55 am

Not often enough.

My ideal would be that one day there would be an announcement from the devs: "Hey people, we made this game. Here's the info, here's the screenshots, and here's the system requirements. Its gone gold. Hope you enjoy it."




Game companies aren't going to do that because they still need to advertise the game, otherwise, no one will buy it, and thus, they won't profit, and as any one of us who knows anything about the world should know, if you spend a large amount of money on developing a game, you want it to turn in some level of profit. Usually, advertising is more likely to be effective if you do it some time before the game is released, because it has more time to build up hype, while hype can sometimes lead to dissappointment on the user's part, it's still an important part of advertising any product.

After Oblivion, I'm actually thrilled that there wasn't an earlier announcement. They released an early build screenshot. They said it was an early build screenshot. They pointed out that nothing is set in stone until the game goes gold. And the OMG THE DEVS LIED threads started, at least one of which was caused by the early build not-set-in-stone screenshot. People were demanding that they see the E3 demo. Even though it was a demo that had the pc ubered with the console, the enemies nerfed with the console, and the ai ramped up to hyper to show off the whole game in 20 minutes, people assumed that the demo was what the game was going to be.


The demo also included some features that were removed in the finished product, note the dynamic object shadows that were shown off in the demo, for example, that's still different from the developers lying, though, because it WAS something that was in the game, just that it was removed before the game was released. Now if Bethesda told us that the game was going to have features which were never part of it at all at any point, THAT might be lying, and even then, that's debatable, because they probably planned to put them in the game, they were just never able to do so, it would just be foolish to say your game was going to have something you'd never intended to include. And if you invited your friend to a party and he said he would come, but then was not able to due to because he had an accident and is now in the hospital, would you say that friend lied? If your answer was no, then it seems just a little hypocritical to me to accuse developers of lying because features they promised simply turned out to not be doable, due to technical, budget or time constraints, or other reasons. It can still be dissappointing when you're led to expect something which the game doesn't deliver, but just because you're dissappointed doesn't mean you were decieved.

I'd say that what Bethesda has done with Skyrim has been pretty clever, though. The way they announced the game gave very little information away, but seems to have been quite effective at getting people excited. We have a trailer that doesn't show any actual gameplay, and has dialog that leaves many things vague, but seems to have caused a fair amount of speculation. It's kind of like how in movie trailers, you often hear bits of dialog that, when taken out of context, don't really tell you what's doing on, but still sound quite dramatic. And since they waited until it was so long into development, they have a lot of fans who are eager to consume any information related to Skyrim, it also means that probably many things, at least in regards to the engine and core gameplay mechanics, are set in stone. So when Bethesda does start revealing information, I suspect that most things we'll hear about are things that aren't going to change too much before release.

In any case, it seems like we'll get a lot of information when the new Game Informer issue is released, not sure what they'll show us, but I'm sure we'll have lots of discussions of it here when the time comes.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:24 am

How can it be? Enforcement of NDA's, lucrative exclusive media deals, and a marketing plan.

How often? Not nearly often enough. HOw about just 3 months of adverts and press. I've never understood why it takes so long to advertise for a new Thneed :shrug: I'm probably just cynical

what is a new THneed?
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:53 am

No but there's only 4 days to go! :D


They will probably release the cover tomorrow considering.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:15 am

They will probably release the cover tomorrow considering.

Considering what?
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:25 am

what is a new THneed?


A Thneed is a fine thing that everyone needs! http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~cjermain/thneed.htm

At least how I've seen Dr. Seuss's Lorax taught, a Thneed can be thought of The End, or something You Think You Need. It's representitive of something materialistic that one craves - like Skyrim.

To me it's galling how companies will spend more than a year building hype o try and get hype and brainwash someone to buy something that they don't need. So to me 3 months seems reasonable instead of more than a year.

Of course, I'm old and crochety :poke: ;)
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:14 am

Considering what?


Considering that it hits stores the 6th.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:17 am

how often does a game have absolutely NOTHING revealed for it with a release ten months away? Especially a mega release such as TES?

quite often.... they revealed in december i was suprised they did that already.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:53 am

the GI cover comes out the 6th, and that's the next thing we have to look forward to
then the actual article will be a 14 pager, so really packed with info



Anywhere I can read this article for free? My subscription got canceled.
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Post » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:28 pm

A Thneed is a fine thing that everyone needs! http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~cjermain/thneed.htm

At least how I've seen Dr. Seuss's Lorax taught, a Thneed can be thought of The End, or something You Think You Need. It's representitive of something materialistic that one craves - like Skyrim.

To me it's galling how companies will spend more than a year building hype o try and get hype and brainwash someone to buy something that they don't need. So to me 3 months seems reasonable instead of more than a year.

Of course, I'm old and crochety :poke: ;)

Three months seems reasonable for what? The games release is in ten months and the gi reveal is a few days away. What's going on in three months?
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:59 am

The only thing that worries me about such a late reveal is that it almost seems like they are trying to cut themselves off from criticism. At this stage a big majority of content should be done, any thoughts we have now are sort of "too little, too late". Games that announce early and then don't share anything new for a year, maybe just a screenie or two, can be just as bad, but at least there is time for the fanbase to organize and put forth a list of proposals and suggestions.

Ideally, we get an early announcement and follow along closely throughout the development cycle. Devs lay out clearly the different mechanical systems along with justifications for doing so. Then even if I don't agree with your decisions I can at least see you've thought about them beyond sticking in flavor-of-the-month mechanics. Actual player-developer interaction. I can keep dreaming, right?
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:20 am

The only thing that worries me about such a late reveal is that it almost seems like they are trying to cut themselves off from criticism. At this stage a big majority of content should be done, any thoughts we have now are sort of "too little, too late". Games that announce early and then don't share anything new for a year, maybe just a screenie or two, can be just as bad, but at least there is time for the fanbase to organize and put forth a list of proposals and suggestions.

Ideally, we get an early announcement and follow along closely throughout the development cycle. Devs lay out clearly the different mechanical systems along with justifications for doing so. Then even if I don't agree with your decisions I can at least see you've thought about them beyond sticking in flavor-of-the-month mechanics. Actual player-developer interaction. I can keep dreaming, right?

i don't think that's the case with Skyrim. We've been throwing suggestions for TES5 at them since TES 4 (there was a thread about it but I forget what it was called). I think they're keeping silent on what they've done for 5 because of all the content they cut from MW and OB (boats around Vivec, Dunmer who spoke like Dunmer etc. I suggested at one point that they reveal nothing until the release date so I could play the game without any spoilers. I'll not get my wish but anyway. I would only worry about the game if there's no advance review put out. That's what gets my crap sense tingling - movies and games that get no advance reviews usually have the svcks turned up way too high. Of course, if Skyrim were simply Oblivion's engine set somehwere new I'd still like it!
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:25 pm

How can Skyrim be coming out this year in a little over ten months no less and we have absolutely no info or a single screen? How often is a game ten months from release with absolutely NOTHING revealed for it?


Bethesda is great in terms of releasing info and screens before release! This statement is ridiculous. The first info we heard about skyrim was its release date (kudos beth soft)

I was waiting on guild wars 2 for 4 years, but that game has tons of issues and will be completely different from the first game. it's been in development for at least 4 years and they still don't know what year the game will be released. they won't even release many screenshots and only publish info once every 2 months or so, even though the game is supposedly 90% finished. im not looking forward to it anymore...

bethesda knows how to manage info and release a plethora of screenshots and will not make mistakes in marketing. For some reason it seems like bethesda is one of the few companies that knows what gamers want.

the wizards at arenanet had a playable demo at PAX, but still haven't released any info since then.

to OP: go look at the guild wars 2 forums and come back here and you will realize bethesda knows what they are doing, and know that having 14 pages of info with screenshots less than 1 month after announcement is a god-send.
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Post » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:05 pm

Bethesda is great in terms of releasing info and screens before release! This statement is ridiculous. The first info we heard about skyrim was its release date (kudos beth soft)

I was waiting on guild wars 2 for 4 years, but that game has tons of issues and will be completely different from the first game. it's been in development for at least 4 years and they still don't know what year the game will be released. they won't even release many screenshots and only publish info once every 2 months or so, even though the game is supposedly 90% finished. im not looking forward to it anymore...

bethesda knows how to manage info and release a plethora of screenshots and will not make mistakes in marketing. For some reason it seems like bethesda is one of the few companies that knows what gamers want.

the wizards at arenanet had a playable demo at PAX, but still haven't released any info since then.

to OP: go look at the guild wars 2 forums and come back here and you will realize bethesda knows what they are doing, and know that having 14 pages of info with screenshots less than 1 month after announcement is a god-send.


THIS ^^
I was also really hyped about Guild wars 2 but they haven't released hardly anything except info on like 3 classes...
Major buzz kill.

Beth knows what they are doing. I'm sure they will space out info on the game perfectly so that everyone stays hyped until release. Personally, I know my wish is going to come true on 11/11/11 XD
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:58 am

Three months seems reasonable for what? The games release is in ten months and the gi reveal is a few days away. What's going on in three months?

Howdy and welcome to the forums! Now drop and give me 20 ;)

Nothing is happening at that point that I know of; rather, it tied into my earlier post as to it's my opinion that 3 months seems sufficient to "get the word out" about a game.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:55 am

Bethesda is trying something new this time around as previously they announced development of a game two years before release but still didn't give a lot of info on it till the one year mark.
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Post » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:02 pm

Maybe all of the employees had to swear a blood pact and had guns to their heads or explosives in their chairs?!
Wouldn't want to leak information then now would you?

Bethesda wanted to keep it secret, and they found a way.
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