Yes no guns.

But where is my crossbow...

Firearms really would spoil TES, things like magic and bow and arrow are much more fun to use in my opinion, and then it would be kinda reaching into fallout's realms, i don't know why, but it would really spoil the game.

I can understand where the logic comes from, considering we are now in the 4th era, but still just because time moves on doesn't mean technology has to advance that much, I suppose the most advanced thing in TES is probably the Dwemer anyway...

Exactly, I play elder scrolls to get away from all the gun games.

Because the majority of the TES fan base doesn’t want to have guns in the game. Sure, you wouldn’t have to use them but that wouldn’t stop a high level bandit from blowing your head off with a musket. It would break the game in a way that would ruin the series. IF it ever did happen, one of the first things modders would do is find away to take them out. Doesn’t make sense for the people of TES to even entertain the idea of guns with they’re ability to learn and master powerful magic. Breaks lore and breaks the game.

Invention does not really exist in TES.

It is a magical world, governed by magical laws where gods are very real and in your face.

For something to be discovered or invented, there has to be a need for it.
You do not really need guns when you have mages with fireballs in your army.

Secondly, can you really invent something when all knowledge is already known by some? (Herma Mora)
Is it then invented or did Hermeus grant you a gift from his secret library?

There are many instances where cultural and technological advances in TES history come as a direct gift from the gods.
The Dunmer ascribe everything from the arts of lawmaking, architecture and proper retribution to Boethiah.

^This, dont forget magic!

The only new technology i would like to see is stuff from the Dwemer or Sotha Sil~

What makes you think the required materials for gunpowder exist on Nirn?

the good thing about lore is things can be added and changed. It's a fictional world, people need to stop being so hesitant to some changes. Other wise the world just stagnates and we don't get to see any cool things how the world could change over the years. You don't know how the majority of the fan base would re act really, the fan base isn't just on this board and it's hard to say how everyone would re act. I've been playing for years and think it would be fun

You really should delve more into the lore of the sixth era, where Hist-root-blink ship armadas fight the Jillians in a war that stretches the Aurbis.
And fire mathematics at each other.

on the other hand the dwemer rather oppose faith / gods and rather went down the technological path as far as i understood?

anyway we need crossbows and throwing weapons...and polearms/spears...

We love the game for what it is. Personally it would hate to see anything gunpowder related in the game. I like the strict medieval theme and i don't mind the dwarves, they actually fit with it. And i'm not bored with it in the least.

Well, I mean, considering the dwemer were hundreds or thousands of years more technologically advanced than any other race in Tamriel's history, and they never had guns... I think gunpowder is something that doesn't and won't exist in TES lore.

The dwemer machinery seems to be operating on Steam Power, which if you compare that to a modern timeline, steam power came out long after gunpowder. A thousand years later, almost. I can believe that Tamriel is a place that simply doesn't have the raw materials, nor the necessity that is the mother of invention, to make gunpowder.

Why would someone in tamriel bother to sit down and come up with it, when Alchemy, Magic, and dwemer technology already exist? Don't forget that this is the reason behind all creativity, someone looking for an answer to a need that exists. It seems to me that Tamriel doesn't have a need for chemical explosives.

Amen.

Have people not heard of steampunk or something? Nobody is asking for freaking AK-47s or grenade launchers.

To those who ask what the point of guns would be when there's magic - the same could be asked about the bow and arrow. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing basic rifles, as well as crossbows, in The Elder Scrolls. It just adds to the game and hardly takes anything away. Progression in a fictional world is a great thing.

Sorry, things only degenerate in TES, not advance. Thats why crossbows, available in the game Morrowind, are gone. Why several different spells are gone, and why spears, undoubtedly one of the longest, most useful, and most widely used weapons of war for pretty much every culture on earth, are gone. Though in all honesty its just the devs being either lazy or dumbing down the amount of things you have access to to accommodate the console users, since they dont have hotkeys.

Why would anyone need a glorified club when people can shoot fireballs? That is all that a sword really is. A refinement on the club. They are both primitive weapons that require you to get close to your target.


Seriously, why is it that when one person suggests primitive early firearms to a fantasy game you will get 10 people instantly jumping to "I don't want AKs in my world!", and then often argue that it would ruin the "Medieval" feel to the world. Surprise! That glorious suit of plate armour you love on your character? Not medieval, and would be seen next to fairly advanced early firearms.


I for one would love to see early firearms added as a "New Discovery" in some game. Something most NPCs would treat with mistrust if not out right disgust.

There is no incentive to produce gunpowder though, seeing as the first use of it was for fireworks, and magic can basically fill that role already, along with the role that a gun takes. And Archery already has a role seperate from magic, because learning any kind of offensive magic requires training, which just isn't available to the common masses.

This post is just...

:facepalm:

Everything except the crossbow part...

:rofl: good one.

The same can not be said for the bow and arrow, for the same reason that gunpowder replaced them in the real world. Bow and arrows are more difficult to use than guns, and guns were cheaper to make than a good, strong bow (composite bows were time consuming to make, a gun is easy to cast and strap to a stick, done).

So military leaders in early gunpowder eras quickly realized that giving 100 men a gun and telling them to pull the trigger was cheaper, faster, and easier than training 100 longbowmen and equipping them.

what is wrong with the stuff he posted? the world needs more progression to show that things have changed in 200 years

The point was that "We have magic, we don't need guns" is a horrible argument. Might as well be saying "If there's magic, there's no need for any other weapon.".

Surely, the gunpowder must exist in the universum of Elder Scrolls. I have heard a guard captain instructing archers to 'keep firing' at the dragon. Where would that word come from if it weren't for the gunpowder?
Perhaps the guards would have fared better it they tried to shoot with their damn bows.

that is simply nonsense in every aspect M'aiq

No guns or gunpowder thank you.