how come no gumpowder in Elder Scrolls yet? : V - Skyrim

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:06 am

why not? you can still have fantasy as well as old style guns. It makes sense to show the world change at least a little. I've played the game since Morrowind but nothing really changes in the world

They favour magic over tech in this world. And they apparently the nords hate and fear even that. So Skyrim at least is going to be stuck in the dung ages forever. Not to mention its a world that is constantly teetering on the brink of utter annihilation.

Apparently the dwarves liked tech and they were wiped off the face of Tamriel for it haha.

In closing, Im not sure how I'd feel about the introduction of guns into this series (could go either way) but as it currently stands I do not miss them. If you really want a fun, medieval, fps that has guns try 'Mount and Blade: With Fire and Steel'. Its a lot of fun. (just mentally prepare yourself for being shot off your horse a lot)

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:00 am

My argument is this:
The dwemer didn't do it, and they have technology well into the industrial era (steam power). If they didn't figure it out, and surely the could have, then tamriel must be lacking the raw materials for it (sulfur, saltpeter).

I'm fine with that.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:14 pm

Well, I mean, considering the dwemer were hundreds or thousands of years more technologically advanced than any other race in Tamriel's history, and they never had guns... I think gunpowder is something that doesn't and won't exist in TES lore.

The dwemer machinery seems to be operating on Steam Power, which if you compare that to a modern timeline, steam power came out long after gunpowder. A thousand years later, almost. I can believe that Tamriel is a place that simply doesn't have the raw materials, nor the necessity that is the mother of invention, to make gunpowder.

Why would someone in tamriel bother to sit down and come up with it, when Alchemy, Magic, and dwemer technology already exist? Don't forget that this is the reason behind all creativity, someone looking for an answer to a need that exists. It seems to me that Tamriel doesn't have a need for chemical explosives.

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what is wrong with the stuff he posted? the world needs more progression to show that things have changed in 200 years

The whole point above read the entire thing.

The world needs no evolution with guns the great wizrads and sages work on magic, magic exist in this world way on earth would they focus on something so mundane as some exploding powder.

Also this should never become The Elder Scrolls: Fallout. Fallout 3 and NV are replicas enough...

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:54 am

Closest thing to technology is ancient dwemer ruins. Dwemer also had invented a time machine and visited the future. Upon discovering that Tamriel became Modern Warfare 13, they decided it was best for Tamriel to be rid of technology. Thus the self destructed their Civilization, and we have the world we do today, because of the brave sacrifice of our Ancient Dwemer heroes.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:11 pm

The idea that Tamriel is an alternate universe where firearms will never be created isn't that unbelievable. Why make guns when you can shoot fireballs?

Why make bow and arrows when you can shoot fireballs. Why make swords, axes, and other weapons and Armour when you can conjurer them?

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:48 am

what is wrong with the stuff he posted? the world needs more progression to show that things have changed in 200 years

I kinda feel like regression is a theme in this game though... You know what with all the incredibly advanced civilizations being dead and buried in the past and the Empire crumbling and what not.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:23 am

Why would anyone need a glorified club when people can shoot fireballs? That is all that a sword really is. A refinement on the club. They are both primitive weapons that require you to get close to your target.

Seriously, why is it that when one person suggests primitive early firearms to a fantasy game you will get 10 people instantly jumping to "I don't want AKs in my world!", and then often argue that it would ruin the "Medieval" feel to the world. Surprise! That glorious suit of plate armour you love on your character? Not medieval, and would be seen next to fairly advanced early firearms.

I for one would love to see early firearms added as a "New Discovery" in some game. Something most NPCs would treat with mistrust if not out right disgust.

Plate armors not medieval and seen next to fairly advanced firearms? What have you been smoking?

Not to mention that if they didn't include a larger variety of weapons in this game without having firearms, i don't want to imagine what they will omit in future games if firearms are implemented. Way better for them to focus on what is already there.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:31 pm

what i would LOVE to see in one game would be an airship in one tes...there are at least 2 cultures which had these...and one of em is still alive

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:55 am

Dear AceHunter you can play games like Fable 3, Fallout 3, Arcanum or if you like these weapons so much just play CoD. But we dont have to destroy a TES game for this *** right?

And if we think about the fantasy world tes, there are some "modern" weapons and these weapons were invented by the dwemer...and now they are all dead ^^ Bad stuff these things :>

It's kinda weird that the game takes 200 years after the last one but the world hasn't changed any.

Gimme a break

... you should stop playing rpgs. Thats how easy it is.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:41 am

This

The whole point above read the entire thing.

The world needs no evolution with guns the great wizrads and sages work on magic, magic exist in this world way on earth would they focus on something so mundane as some exploding powder.

Not everyone uses magic in this series though my character was a warrior and there are many characters that don't use it all so saying it would be useless is silly. Plus it's just another way of not getting close to your enemies like arrows and when they make improvements to gun arrows will be pointless because a bow and arrow/cross bow would take more time to load but a revolver or some kind of early rifle can hold multiple ammo. So there is lots of reasons to develop gun powder and early guns

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:39 am

Someone is coming from Call of Duty to TES.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:27 am

Well we can all stop arguing because we all know Bethesda are not gonna put guns into the elder scrolls, they have fallout for that.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:00 pm

Someone is coming from Call of Duty to TES.

sorry but I've never played a call of duty game troll

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:03 am

I wouldn't mind some gum powder right now. Sounds yummy.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:23 am

Well, having gunpowder in the game would sure silence those "Fallout with swords" critics.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:24 am

How come no gumpowder in Elder Scrolls yet?

Well, personally, my character has never suffered from gum diseases in any of the Elder Scrolls games, so there has never been any need for powders or the like!

Ahh, I see, you mean gun powder. Sorry, my bad.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:45 am

Stop just stop. because the more you talk the more stupid you sound.

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» Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:42 am

Muskets aren't automatic weapons they take time to reload. You don't think it's weird to move a game up 200 years and not show minor improvements to the world? you think they should keep doing the same thing every single game?

We don't want these in TES, not now, not never. Nirn =/= Earth. Just because evolution managed to come up with blackpowder weapons doesn't mean Nirns evolution (which is nearly 0 since the 1st era) should also come up with the same thing. And why would they even spend time on research in the first place when they have magic?

Even if you remove all good points of why it doesn't fit TES, it's still a plain no because what makes TES unique is that it doesn't contain guns. It doesn't need it, they don't fit in it and they bring nothing important to the game, which is to tell the story of the province Skyrim. Then, another province eventually where blackpowder has never existed either and will never exist.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:06 am

I never want to see guns in a vanilla TES game.. ever. Unless its in a mod then of course people can do what they want.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:38 am

Not everyone uses magic in this series though my character was a warrior and there are many characters that don't use it all so saying it would be useless is silly. Plus it's just another way of not getting close to your enemies like arrows and when they make improvements to gun arrows will be pointless because a bow and arrow/cross bow would take more time to load but a revolver or some kind of early rifle can hold multiple ammo. So there is lots of reasons to develop gun powder and early guns

The great thinkers of the world look past the mundane to something truly powerful like magic. Guns are mundane considering magic ties to the very nature of the world of Nirn and that is something worth studying not some explosive rock.

There is an Elder Scrolls copy cat with guns they are Fallout 3 and NV.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:39 pm

We don't want these in TES, not now, not never. Nirn =/= Earth. Just because evolution managed to come up with blackpowder weapons doesn't mean Nirns evolution (which is nearly 0 since the 1st era) should also come up with the same thing. And why would they even spend time on research in the first place when they have magic?

Even if you remove all good points of why it doesn't fit TES, it's still a plain no because what makes TES unique is that it doesn't contain guns. It doesn't need it, they don't fit in it and they bring nothing important to the game, which is to tell the story of the province Skyrim. Then, another province eventually where blackpowder has never existed either and will never exist.

yeah like I keep saying not every character uses magic do they?

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:43 am

I have an idea!!!! How about fallout with swords!!!!!

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:32 am

Why are you all talking about guns when it clearly says gumpowder in the headline?

I for one have no idea what gumpowder is, and neither does Mai'q.

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:41 am

The whole point above read the entire thing.

The world needs no evolution with guns the great wizrads and sages work on magic, magic exist in this world way on earth would they focus on something so mundane as some exploding powder.

Also this should never become The Elder Scrolls: Fallout. Fallout 3 and NV are replicas enough...

Why would they not focus on faster better ways to kill? Most innovation in every culture comes from trying to kill you enemy faster than they can kill you and trying to stop them from killing you first

» Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:42 am

Stop just stop. because the more you talk the more stupid you sound.

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How about don't respond to a thread? a lot of people have given some good points and had some good discussion about it but you're just being a troll because someone said something you don't like