How could FONV have been more real ? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:43 pm

:fallout:
yeah i want more stuff on the map, if it was any other environment other than a desert it would be almost impossible to avoid a lot of structures, pick any major city in the world or even your town, is every location a mile apart? thats not even realistic, even outside of a city, there are outlying areas with "civilization" and buildings, neighborhoods, businesses, industrial areas, factories, apartment complexes, farms, power stations, gas stations and on and on, you can't rationalize having such a barren world, new vegas isn't suppose to be like the north pole, you're defending nothing, you're saying the less the better, so when you buy a pizza do you just take one bite and say you're full, i eat like half the pizza, so yeah i think picking a desert just for a reason to not put much on the map is laziness and like president eden says, and i quote "laziness breeds stupidity".

Do me a favor.

Get Google Earth of some other photo map software and find Las Vegas. Look at the area surrounding Vegas itself. Around Sloan, Nipton, Goodsprings, Boulder City, Searchlight and the Solar Power Plant (All real places btw). The Majove really is that empty and spread out.

Sure they 'could' have built up more between now and 2077, but then there was a nulclear war and 200 years on neglect. And Fallout 3 wasn't exactly packed with stuff. There were areas of the map with nothing, but the odd rock and peice of cracked road for a good distance around.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:17 pm

Do US a favor.

Get Google Earth of some other photo map software and find Las Vegas. Look at the area surrounding Vegas itself. Around Sloan, Nipton, Goodsprings, Boulder City, Searchlight and the Solar Power Plant (All real places btw). The Majove really is that empty and spread out.

Sure they 'could' have built up more between now and 2077, but then there was a nulclear war and 200 years on neglect. And Fallout 3 wasn't exactly packed with stuff. There were areas of the map with nothing, but the odd rock and peice of cracked road for a good distance around.

Fixed

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:56 pm

MTE. Map packing is absurd. I hear all the time on these forums specifically on how New Vegas is not "post-apocalyptic" enough when a true post-apocalypse would be pretty damn empty.

This. This is a 100% true. There wouldnt be tons of people running around after a Big fallout.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:31 pm

Do me a favor.

Get Google Earth of some other photo map software and find Las Vegas. Look at the area surrounding Vegas itself. Around Sloan, Nipton, Goodsprings, Boulder City, Searchlight and the Solar Power Plant (All real places btw). The Majove really is that empty and spread out.

Sure they 'could' have built up more between now and 2077, but then there was a nulclear war and 200 years on neglect. And Fallout 3 wasn't exactly packed with stuff. There were areas of the map with nothing, but the odd rock and peice of cracked road for a good distance around.

would you prefer if all the fallout games were made at the north pole that way you can have an excuse why next nothing should be on the map, by the way, i live outside of los angeles, i have been through and to the mojave desert countelss times, i grew up in southern california, its not the sahara desert, parts of it are semi desolate but other parts of it have quite of bit of stuff, there's towns, factorys, train yards ,everything isn't a mile apart wherever you go, but thats all besides the point, artistic license needs to be employed, ok, so in other words maybe its not so good an idea to make a games location the equivelant of the north pole. how about that, you really prefer all locations of games to be in as desolate place as possible?

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:56 pm

To answer you again, stop using every little thing to kept peddling your New Vegas desert arguement. Freeside is a civilised, it has shops, people have lived there all of their lives like Old Ben, it has water supplies which used to be free until the NCR showed up; yeah it has violence and drug abuse, so? Incase you didn't notice every city in the world does, civilisation in the sense we mean means that things have begun to develop their own societies and economies on a larger scale; unless your defination of civilised is some kind of titanic, country-sized Orwellian State then I think you're just saying any old [censored] to keep your baren desertness thing going.

you're just defending a lifeless barren game, not sure why you like nothing on a map, but its gettig old listening to you keep defending a game well over 50% of the people who bought it are bored with, wake up and realize the facts, obsdiain didn't make a dynamic world, other than dialogue and npcs, the map world itself is isn't dynamic so thats just a fact, compare it to practically every other game made and for its size theres nothing happenin.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:08 pm

would you prefer if all the fallout games were made at the north pole that way you can have an excuse why next nothing should be on the map, by the way, i live outside of los angeles, i have been through and to the mojave desert countelss times, i grew up in southern california, its not the sahara desert, parts of it are semi desolate but other parts of it have quite of bit of stuff, there's towns, factorys, train yards ,everything isn't a mile apart wherever you go, but thats all besides the point, artistic license needs to be employed, ok, so in other words maybe its not so good an idea to make a games location the equivelant of the north pole. how about that, you really prefer all locations of games to be in as desolate place as possible?

I like how you completely avoid defending your claims when countered with a valid argument and carry on strawman arguments.

New Vegas is far less desolate than Fallout 3.

Fallout 3:

Rivet City
Tenpenny Tower
Megaton
Big Town
Canterbury Commons

Fallout:New Vegas:

NoVac
Las/New Vegas
Nellis Airforce Base
Goodsprings
Primm
Nipton (Was a town)

(This is excluding any foreign military outposts IE all NCR and Legion military outposts including them it'd STILL counter your claim of desolation)

Also,

there's towns, factorys, train yard

New Vegas has those.

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:36 am

a game well over 50% of the people who bought it are bored with

Where the hell do you get these BS statistics from?

And I think thats yet another paragraph where you slam New Vegas for being empty. Change the [censored] record and come up with some new criticisms. Ok, we [censored] get it, you're bored of New Vegas. Stop acting like your opinion is fact. Judging by how you seem to want to be shooting something for 100% of the gameplay, how about you go try a damn FPS instead of trying to turn an RPG into one.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:57 pm

you're just defending a lifeless barren game, not sure why you like nothing on a map, but its gettig old listening to you keep defending a game well over 50% of the people who bought it are bored with, wake up and realize the facts, obsdiain didn't make a dynamic world, other than dialogue and npcs, the map world itself is isn't dynamic so thats just a fact, compare it to practically every other game made and for its size theres nothing happenin.

Oh, I do realize the facts, that is why I viciously defend my Fallout

And yes, there is stuff happening. You have farms, quests, camps, caves. Sure, its not as "full", but I like that. One thing that irked me about "Fallout" 3, is that is was much too packed, it felt unrealistic. In FO1 and 2, it would take you weeks to cross the map.

And also, those 60% who said that the game was not boring have no say? Is Fallout 3 dynamic?

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:04 am

Where the hell do you get these BS statistics from?

And I think thats yet another paragraph where you slam New Vegas for being empty. Change the [censored] record and come up with some new criticisms. Ok, we [censored] get it, you're bored of New Vegas. Stop acting like your opinion is fact. Judging by how you seem to want to be shooting something for 100% of the gameplay, how about you go try a damn FPS instead of trying to turn an RPG into one.

This.
And also, its the ones who arent happy about it that sounds the most. The ones who actually enjoying it are buizzy playing it.

And with the town/outpost the Mojave feels moore fun to wander. The only things that its less of are caves and vaults where you can blow stuff up/kill/burn/stab/shoot things.
Go play a survival horror game or something

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:30 pm

West seems to want a huge suburbia hell inside and over the post apocalyptic desert to depict societys rebuilding. http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/148411/wallpaper-161176-700x437.jpg

not suburbia but they could of put in a lot more locations like bonnie sprind or goodsprings etc, most peole who played new vegas are bored with it, there's not a lot going on in the game, the terrain geography and map itself is a snoozefest, you don't even need a weapon for cruising around most of the map, very few of the enemies will ever suprise you or be much of a threat, most of em you can just totally ignore and keep moving and they won't even bother you, you can walk for hours all around the map and not even need your weapons at all.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:50 pm

most peole who played new vegas are bored with it, there's not a lot going on in the game,

You don't speak for all of the community, so cut it out with the 'WE are/MOST are' crap until you give us 100% solid proof THE COMMUNITY and not YOU has said this.

not suburbia but they could of put in a lot more locations like bonnie sprind or goodsprings etc, most peole who played new vegas are bored with it, there's not a lot going on in the game, the terrain geography and map itself is a snoozefest, you don't even need a weapon for cruising around most of the map, very few of the enemies will ever suprise you or be much of a threat, most of em you can just totally ignore and keep moving and they won't even bother you, you can walk for hours all around the map and not even need your weapons at all.

I have NEVER not been through a session where I DIDNT need a gun. I didn't need a gun for hours on Fallout 3, that map was just as empty.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:56 pm

its not a bethesda made game so its a big letdown for and most everyone else who's played it, thats just the facts, you can find complaints aboujt it all over the internet including these forums talking about how completely boring it is to cruise around the map, so get use the crtiscism.

No offense, really, but good grief, the ignorance from your posts could not be described even remotely.

You DO realize that forums do not represent majority of the actual player base? It's like with Mass Effect, where 60% of the forum community whines about FemShep being more popular(when real statistics show MaleShep leading with 80%). Yet here you are, making big assumptions and expecting us to buy it? I also find it laughable that you pose as some kind of a community manager, passing on these funny stats such as "50% of the players bored". :rofl:

Seriously west: STOP CONFUSING BETWEEN DESIRABLE AND REALITY.

I've also noticed the typical pattern of your arguments where you blatantly ignore the valid counter-arguments from others and quickly change the topic into hyperbole-opinions outburst. Yes, yes we've already heard the "boring boring boring" stuff of yours but how about answering some of the main points we've been talking about? :rolleyes:

Like the... desolate wastes. Eh?

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:25 pm

By the way, I am a Bethesda fan

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:27 am

most peole who played new vegas are bored with it

You're an idiot. :facepalm:

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:38 am

you're just defending a lifeless barren game, not sure why you like nothing on a map,

Your arguements are lifeless and barren, there plenty on the map for MY-[censored]-TASTES thank you very much.

but its gettig old listening to you keep defending a game well over 50% of the people who bought it are bored with,

It's getting almost biblical listening to you keep saying "Lifeless" and "barren" in every post, dropped the whole "There's no civilisation/rebuilding arguement" have you now that's it been completely decimated (not that you'd admit it I suspect). People have already moaned about your stats so I won't comment more than I agree with everyone else.

wake up and realize the facts, obsdiain didn't make a dynamic world, other than dialogue and npcs, the map world itself is isn't dynamic so thats just a fact, compare it to practically every other game made and for its size theres nothing happenin.

You're just making up facts based on opinions of however many. Fact. An opinion of millions against hundreds would still not be constitute a fact.

Also you could walk around never even being armed, I call [censored].

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:30 pm

We all know his loopless arguements are old now, but people... let the fool believe whatever the hell he believes, and pray to god he stops posting in this forum.

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:40 am

Your reality is quite unrealistic and not reasonable.

Ok so I know there's hard core mode but it still didn't quiet do it for me so here 's what I am thinking .

1. the time is equal to 1 to 1 one minute real time is one minute game time .

Doesn't work in a video game end of story, if you played the game in real time your adventures wold have lasted a matter of days not weeks or months, the maps not designed to scale to accept the accelerated time.

4. I would remove 99% of all ammo in the game because in 200 years PA in the future they are not going to have the ability to make modern gun powder , primers , casings ,and bullets at best they will have flint lock style black powder type weapons and bows, cross bows, and spears , that 's it other than mele weapons and perhaps homemade flame throwers .

Completely unrealistic, the gun runners have been manufacturing ammo for a long time and the NCR an established country. With it being a warzone between the NCR and the legion its expected for there to be a lot of ammo.

5. Clothes would be harder to find Only found on other humans and shoes would be the number one item needed

There are cows and other animals to make new clothing from, once again the NCR would be capable of making new clothing.

9 .Dark should be dark a building should have power unless it's got a power source . the middle of the desert should be dark and to dangerous to cross at night even with a flashlight .

You'd be surprised how bright it can be at night with just the stars and the moon, but really making realistically dark would just make people skip night and complain. The chief problem is you can kind of see where your going but you can't see whats underneath you. Also with the hooverdam nearby and functioning buildings having power is easily explained.

10 If New Vegas was missed by the bombs why then is everything around it exactly the same as ground zero Washington DC ? all water should not be irradiated.

New Vegas was missed the surrounding countryside is another matter, secondly your in the Mojave desert it was a wasteland before the bombs fell. Most of the water isn't irradiated the river and lake are just fine. But other pools scattered around the wastes appear to be contaminated by barrels of radioactive waste, not by nuclear weapons.

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:58 am

not suburbia but they could of put in a lot more locations like bonnie sprind or goodsprings etc, most peole who played new vegas are bored with it, there's not a lot going on in the game, the terrain geography and map itself is a snoozefest, you don't even need a weapon for cruising around most of the map, very few of the enemies will ever suprise you or be much of a threat, most of em you can just totally ignore and keep moving and they won't even bother you, you can walk for hours all around the map and not even need your weapons at all.

Actually, most people are bored with Fallout 3. I know this. I do. And it can be explained by the popularity of its forum. There, I even elaborated. Facts are nice. Like manatees.

No enemy can surprise you in either game because of the enemycompass, unless you're totally blind or ignoring the game you're playing. That's why you can stroll in both maps freely and without ever firing a shot, because you always know if there's something or someone nearby. There is no turning that against NV but not against FO3. And if you would really bother to pay attention to what you're playing, you'd notice that NV has all the things you say it doesn't, just implemented differently than in Fallout 3. It's A-OK to not like the game, no-one is going to hate you for it, but just cut it with the [censored] will ya.

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:01 am

not suburbia but they could of put in a lot more locations like bonnie sprind or goodsprings etc, most peole who played new vegas are bored with it, there's not a lot going on in the game, the terrain geography and map itself is a snoozefest, you don't even need a weapon for cruising around most of the map, very few of the enemies will ever suprise you or be much of a threat, most of em you can just totally ignore and keep moving and they won't even bother you, you can walk for hours all around the map and not even need your weapons at all.

You live in California, yet you somehow keep getting the Mojave confused with the North Pole? Little hint: Sand is yellow, snow is white (Unless someone made lemon snow cones)

Seriously, you're just saying the same things over and over again, you're ignoring all counter arguements to your extremely flimsy arguement and you're being as stubborn as you were when you were claiming Todd had told you that Fallout 4 was coming before ESV.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:40 pm

You live in California, yet you somehow keep getting the Mojave confused with the North Pole? Little hint: Sand is yellow, snow is white (Unless someone made lemon snow cones)

Seriously, you're just saying the same things over and over again, you're ignoring all counter arguements to your extremely flimsy arguement and you're being as stubborn as you were when you were claiming Todd had told you that Fallout 4 was coming before ESV.

Todd. you mean, the one who likes to kill things, because us fun?

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:10 am

Westoftherockies, I am not going to insult you, but can you please stop making that "static and boring" claim over and over, and start responding to valid counter-arguments other people have made?

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:24 pm

Westoftherockies, I am not going to insult you, but can you please stop making that "static and boring" claim over and over, and start responding to valid counter-arguments other people have made?

I second this. It'd be one thing if he could actually make a solid argument, but quite frankly he isn't.

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:17 am

I second this. It'd be one thing if he could actually make a solid argument, but quite frankly he isn't.

:fallout: its pretty well established on the internet the lack of fun new vegas is after the first 2 or 3 playthru's, the threads on this forum alone, speak for themselves, its not a big secret the game doesn't have a lot of replayability, its fun for a while, but its kinda like a small maze, once you have it all figured out which doesn't take long, it gets boring fast. i haven't seen many threads on how exciting the game is, except from newbies playing the game for the first time.

» Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:22 pm

:fallout: its pretty well established on the internet the lack of fun new vegas is after the first 2 or 3 playthru's, the threads on this forum alone, speak for themselves, its not a big secret the game doesn't have a lot of replayability, its fun for a while, but its kinda like a small maze, once you have it all figured out which doesn't take long, it gets boring fast. i haven't seen many threads on how exciting the game is, except from newbies playing the game for the first time.

So in this post, you both state that the game is boring, and disregard those whom have a differing opinion as "newbies". Class act.

» Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:52 am

So in this post, you both state that the game is boring, and disregard those whom have a differing opinion as "newbies". Class act.

Yeayh, he's not exactly accepting of differing opinions and again he utterly fails to provide any kind of source for his claims. Just says' 'on the internet' and 'on the forums'