Thats a decently sized are, Certainly NOT small.

I couldnt find a picture of Shady Sands from Fallout 2, it has roads that look better than IRL, they have policemen in clean uniforms, streetlights, electricity, even force-shields.

Woooo the Police. I think i already seent hat btw.

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It's in my post Mako.

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they have endless reasons why the map is empty, first they say oh its a desert, and then its like oh just cause its rebuilding doesn't mean stuff should be packed on the map...PACKED on the map? are they kidding, they are worried about too much content? thats hilarious, so they actually prefer nothing on almost the entire map? these aren't open world sandbox gamers with these kinds of opinions, cause to contiunally make excuses for obsidian's lack of imagination and attention to detail when it comes to making a dynamic game world is astonishing, the story doesn't make up for the empty world of new vegas, with all this talk about rebuilding and recivilization, the map world doesn't match the rhetoric. they just like empty game worlds, what kinds of person actually says oh we don't want too much content on the map or it will be overcrowded...they're worried about new vegas being overcrowded, HAHAHA :violin:

Lol yah. who wants to little content?? I dont. I want the maximum the Developer can give me!

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So what? You want everything, every town, every dungeon, every location, every point of interest to be three paces from the next one?

I think you may need to visit an actual desert region. A desert really is a handful of locations separated by large expanses of nothing.

As pointed out there is rebuilding. Farms, established settlements, trade routes, outposts, even a prison (Which is odd considering the usual punishment for commiting crime appears to be a fatal one).

In Fallout 3, there were no signs of rebuidling at all. Just people settled in the strangest of situations. Around a nuclear bomb, on a bridge that by all rights was unstable. How did the people of Andale survive the predations of the threats of the wastleland? They had no walls and by all rights should have been as inbred as the Point Lookout Swamp Folk. And were was the big trade centre that was Canterbury Commons, all I saw were a couple of run down buildings.

Settlements in New Vegas made sense. They were walled, were easy to defend and were supported by a basic infastructure that provided food from farms and goods from trade routes.

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/halolz-dot-com-punchout-kinghippololserious.jpg

Rofl you just made my day.

That's pretty accurate.

To answer you again, stop using every little thing to kept peddling your New Vegas desert arguement. Freeside is a civilised, it has shops, people have lived there all of their lives like Old Ben, it has water supplies which used to be free until the NCR showed up; yeah it has violence and drug abuse, so? Incase you didn't notice every city in the world does, civilisation in the sense we mean means that things have begun to develop their own societies and economies on a larger scale; unless your defination of civilised is some kind of titanic, country-sized Orwellian State then I think you're just saying any old [censored] to keep your baren desertness thing going.

West seems to want a huge suburbia hell inside and over the post apocalyptic desert to depict societys rebuilding. http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/148411/wallpaper-161176-700x437.jpg

My response was more along this style http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii97/Martyr_of_Death/Autumnpalm.jpg.

lol same, :laugh: I lost the link so just use my own called "Enclavefacepalm".

I don't remember who posted it, but by god, that is the best reaction image I've ever seen. :laugh:

1. That would seem kind of inconveniant if the time zones would be exactly the same as in the real world, but it would be nice at least if there were actual weeks in the timeframe rather than Sunday and Monday.
2. You don't even die after 12 hours of dehydration in the real world. Sure, you'd die without water, but the average person can go 3 weeks without food or water.
3. True, I actually might agree with that.
4. Then explain the Gun Runners? You even said that Vegas was missed by the bombs, the only problem with weapons manufacturing is that a lot of people had forgotten about the entire industry, and so few people are capable of continuing the business. But weapons and ammunition can still get lost from the premisis, even if the crates are rigged to explode if pirated.
5. Like I said, Vegas wasn't hit by the bombs, so clothing could have gotten scattered from similar areas around it. And if you actually pay attention, half of it was just stitched together from pieces of clothing that could have just gotten scattered aroung the Mojave like everything else. And today people are working on ways to make food be able to resist radiation poisoning and last longer than the average production line, so why not do the same for clothing 60 years later?
6. It's a video game. That kind of thing could be too complicated to plan out for every day, plus the animation would take a better frame rate than Left 4 Dead's. They managed to pull half of it off in Dead Money, but there's still got to be more fluxuation for the weather to be perfect like you'd like.
7. There already are canibals, haven't you heard of the Fiends? And I'm sure that many people have been able to regain civilized structure to themselves after 200 years of a mass war. Just look at the NCR, and the Legion isn't even that debased.
8. The game was released too soon, so I'm sure many things had to be cut at the manage of expense in time. But who knows? Maybe something like that will appear in later DLC or updates.
9. That's where the only thing that should be changed is that more animals like Night Stalkers should appear, or just nocturnal animals so that the game is more balanced rather then just stacked until you're fed up with the Wasteland.
10. Ever hear about that Russian nuclear reactor that got busted up a long time ago? That happened in Russia, though it managed to spread all the way to the U.S. (the nuclear fallout, that is) and many other countries. Wind carries fallout particles and can infect bodies of water just like that.

saying they made sense is arbitrary, you can make any story up to justify not putting very much content on the map and not making an interesting geographical area to cruise around in, but from the standpoint of actually putting effort into each location to make it interesting so its not empty, that takes work, obsidian isn't into dynamic game worlds, they're into stories and dialogue, so 90% of their energy is in the story and dialogue and the rest they almost completely ignore, its not balanced at all, new vegas is not a good sandbox game, the map world is uninteresting and undeveloped, just cause the area is a desert isn't a reason to just leave it empty and throw some tents and a few shacks up and calling it done. the game just isn't balanced. i like a good story, i like dialogue, but a game needs more than a story, it needs interesting areas and interesting locations.

you're actually worried if anything else was put on the map it would of made it too packed?

Do me a favor, list 1 location where there isn't a single thing within it's map grid.

You're actually worried that there's not going to be a grenade machinegun right around every corridor in every building? Come on, he's making sense.

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yeah i want more stuff on the map, if it was any other environment other than a desert it would be almost impossible to avoid a lot of structures, pick any major city in the world or even your town, is every location a mile apart? thats not even realistic, even outside of a city, there are outlying areas with "civilization" and buildings, neighborhoods, businesses, industrial areas, factories, apartment complexes, farms, power stations, gas stations and on and on, you can't rationalize having such a barren world, new vegas isn't suppose to be like the north pole, you're defending nothing, you're saying the less the better, so when you buy a pizza do you just take one bite and say you're full, i eat like half the pizza, so yeah i think picking a desert just for a reason to not put much on the map is laziness and like president eden says, and i quote "laziness breeds stupidity".

MTE. Map packing is absurd. I hear all the time on these forums specifically on how New Vegas is not "post-apocalyptic" enough when a true post-apocalypse would be pretty damn empty.

I don't recall New Vegas having an arctic tundra or polar bears.

Hyperbole statements are hyperbole.