Just to be explicit, Proweler's description is exactly what I was referring to.

Also, I really love (and I think I understand) what Megaton Hammerstein wrote.

I don't think there is a hard and fast rule as to what can be called a "god" in The Elder Scrolls. The Aedra are one definition that exist the way they do because of the way Nirn was created. Daedra are a different definition that is not directly connected to Nirn, but still interested. The Tribunal embody another possibility (or more than one if you read Vivec's writings closely). Talos embodies another. I think Michael Kirkbride even referred to the Nerevarine as possibly being able to fulfill the basic definition in the page I linked.

I don't think there are solid answers. Even for those who experienced these things, they are as much philosophical speculation as they are fact. I also think for some of these beings, the same concept or event could be either fact or speculation depending upon how one looks at it or wants it to be.

I'm not trying to be difficult, but the majority of writing on this sort of thing has a very philosophical tone, and most of the writers are either mortal and not fully equipped to explain it properly. Or they're divine in some way, and their explanations and instructions are probably biased in some way by their perspective. Vivec, for example, created an entire myth cycle around his early life as being destined to become Vivec the god. In some ways, this cycle is probably both true and false, or at least was while Vivec was still a god.

So the best thing you can do is read things like Vivec's Sermons, the Five Songs of King Wulfharth, the Arcturian Heresy, and other relevant books, and discussions here and come to whatever conclusions work for you.

I do think it's pretty unlikely that anyone has ever been or will ever be elevated to godhood by any of the Nine Divines. I don't think they function on that level.

@Prometheus

Well if you don't know what a god is, how do you if you have become one? Or for that matter, how do you know if you aren't one already. But if it's obvious, it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

Ok I give up , there is no answer to this I guess... he was Emperor of Tamriel , all where happy and bump he becomes a God , end of story ?....

No, there's a lot more to the story.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-arcturian-heresy.

What is a God?
Is one a god because they have power over the natural world?
Is one a god because they can bestow blessings and micicles?
Is one a god because they posess great power?
Is one a god because they are Omnipotent, Omnipreset and Omniscient?
Is one a god because they are believed to be so?
Is one a god because legends say he is a god?
If I fill any of these definitions, am I a god?

It has always been my personal view that Tiber Septim never had a thing to do with Shezzar. He was more Akatosh aligned. Note I say Tiber Septim, and not Talos, as they were different people. I am personaly of the mind that Talos died at the same time as Cuhlecain. Of course thats what I like to believe. Though its Heretical to common thought.

As to who Talos is; my heretical thought is that it is worship of Shezzar, under the guise of the great unifier, that Talos never acended. Talos is Shezzar in Emperors Clothes.

C'mon give it a shot. If you're looking for a straightforward answer you won't get one because it's not straightforward. You seem to get stuck on what makes a divine.

Suppose that the Aedra are divine. Then when people tell you it's because he pretended to be a god, you think he is still a pretender. But that's not the case. Without knowing how the world works, well that sounds very much like belief, but it isn't.

Suppose that there are no gods. Knowing how the world works that is easy to say about the Aedra, yet that puts them closer to real world gods who's parents are man.

:shrug:

Talos became the divine Tiber Septim, in the Crux of Transcendence. The Brass God, Numidium, is a gigantic, god's body, but without a divinity. To create the divine requires a sacrifice, as the Lorkhan sacrificed his divinity to create the world. The divinity Talos needed was in the Underking, Zurin Arctus, because he was an avatar of Lorkhan. He sacrificed the heart of Zurin, creating the Crux of Transcendence he needed, to give life to the Numidium and perfect his apotheosis. Talos and Zurin are avatars of Lorkhan, so it was as if Talos sacrificed his own heart, while keeping himself alive. The two became one god, Tiber Septim, in the Crux. This is why there is controversy about whose soul was in the Mantella. Both Talos and the Underking were bound to it.

Help me define a background and lore history for my mod guys ....

The other thread named Throne of Thalos ..

You're getting your Enantiomorph mixed up with your Manteling.

Where at?

Meh, I'm like the people of Cyrodiil.

Good ol' Tiber conquers Tamriel, something that is quite incredible.

Eight Divines / Akatosh is happy, appoint him as a Ninth Divine, Talos.

Dot end.

Is there a difference? Isn't Enantiomorph just special case of Manteling?

The Enantiomorph describes two identical but opposing actors in a story where one betrays the other. Talos and Zurin Arctus were in such a story by the Skeleton Mans description, but by then we already had Talos. So for Talos it doesn't matter. With or without the Mantella, Tiber and Ysmir were already indistinguishable. Satisfying Nu-Hatta's description.

The oversoul wasn't born in the Crux?

Isn't Talos special because he fits all criteria of ascension? The prolix tower, mantling, enantiomorphy, the scarab, etc.?

@Megaton,

those were examples of attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE. The Enantiomorph is labeled as one of them.

@Willie,

yes. Tiber mantled the guy who had his heart ripped out and then ordered a heart to be ripped out - indirectly. The oversoul was both halves of the duality, so now Tiber should be.
Wether it was Zurin or Ysmir who had his heart ripped out, it doesn't matter much. Personally I think that the Heresies most important contribution is the story of Ysmir and Tiber.

Even so, Ysmir and Tiber were already indistinguishable at this point.

Hence, Talos can sacrifice Zurin's heart, and it counts as his own sacrifice, requisite for transcendence. It was his heart, too.

Let me try this a different way...

Are you familiar with Joseph Campbell? Campbell's basic idea in his book The Hero With a Thousand Faces is that world mythologies, especially Hero stories, follow a similar pattern. He called this the Mononmyth ( = one myth). In the monomyth normal people find themselves entering into the mythic life (i.e. Faerie - think Bilbo leaving the Shire and "going on an adventure") and undergoing a process that leads them to face some overwhelming crisis ("the inmost cave"; in Lord of the Rings when Frodo is faced with destroying the Ring). At this point the story can resolve in a number of ways for the Hero: death and resurrection, apotheosis (victory and becoming a god), or attaining the great reward (victory and recieving something that is needed back in the "real world" usually to save the Hero's people).

One way that people attain god-hood (Divine power, transcendence, etc) in the Elder Scrolls universe is by mantling. Mantling is similar to the Hero's journey in that the mantler/Hero is undergoing a process that leads to (in this case) apotheosis or god-hood. Tiber Septim underwent a process (mantling) wherein he became a god. In his case it's a bit complex because his journey involved other Heroes and in some way it seems that all of them attained a kind of mutual apotheosis (the Oversoul - Tiber, Zurin, Wulfharth? Never understood this myself).

The issue is further complicated because there are other ways that people attain god-hood (as per the Hero's journey above - death/resurrection etc). The ascendance of the Tribunal is radically different than Tiber though there is a kind of mantling there, too (the Heart).

I really hope this helps.