"The leader of the Ka Po' Tun is Tosh Raka. He is rumored to be a divine being who was the first of his race to succeed at becoming a dragon"

How does one become a dragon?
Is that this Mantling thing? (You act like a dragon so you become one?) Is it magic?

He did something, but nothing really outside of that. Also, it's dubious if Tosh-Raka literally became a dragon.

He became the Dragon God of Time, that's not so dubious.

the first of his race to succeed at becoming a dragon


By mantling, and yes, this is magic:

Don't forget that gods can be shaped by the mythopoeic forces of the mantlers-- so Tosh Raka could be an Akaviri avatar of Akatosh with a grudge against his mirror-brother in Cyrodiil.

You haven't heard of Raka tosh the dragon god of time?

Edit: To be honest we don't know if he's a dragon, or what he even did if he is one.

Unless stated by a dev, the only source that talks about Akavir is still not that great of a source. As such, I'm in the opinion that nothing should really be assumed of Akavir, till the devs begin throwing us some bones, like how the snakesmen are literally golden immortal vampire snake people.

Should we trust any other sources on the Mythic times? This is just another. Where does Mysterious Akavir get it wrong, what's it right about, and how do we judge?

I'd say it's true, because it's consistent with the mysterious nature of Akavir. It's also consistent with other mythologies of apotheosis, like Auriel's and Reman's; parallelism is evidence of truth.

It may be the constant "I WANT AKAVIR" in the general section, but I still have my doubts that Tosh Raka literally became a dragon. Someone like Tiber or Reman, sure that's a helluva lot more believable. But I just find myself taking lots of grains of salt when it comes to Akavir.

It's been said before but Mysterious Akavir follows the same pattern as the Monomyth. Specifically compare the entry in faith in the Empire for Auri-El with Mysterious Akavirs ascension of Tosh Raka.

So Tosh Raka did not become a Dragon, he always was one, a god.

That doesn't follow. Not even a little bit.

So you say he is Akatosh (etc./etc./etc./etc.)? Doesn't he suppose to be a plane(t)? He doesn't have a physical form, does he?

How would he use Mantling to become Akatosh though? Don't you have to act like him? Tosh Raka didn't really devour worlds did he O= (Still need to understand the concept of Mantling, tell me if I'm wrong, isn't it that you act like one until you become him/it/she?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLFZzInXAWI

Thing about Akavir is we know very little about it, but from what we've heard it mirrors Tamriel in a lot of ways.

I'd actually compare Tosh Raka more to Tiber Septim than Akatosh despite his name, personally. Dragon Emperor and all that. But that's based on what very little we know of this person who may or may not exist at all.

The only types of Akaviri ever encountered in Tamriel for certain were Tsaeci and their human captives, Snow Demons of Kamal, and as referenced in the First PGE, other strange races of beast people like dogmen who aren't referenced in any other source, but who actually were a part of an Akaviri invasion of Tamriel. (It's possible these were slave races from subjugated islands between Tamriel and Akavir.)

Oh I actually found something interesting:
http://akavir.pbworks.com/w/page/1647770/Tosh-Raka

There are no sources so I don't think it's true.

You said he might be The God of Time but there were other Dragons in Akavir no?

And Akatosh/Auriel etc. etc. doesn't have a physical shape no? Or can Tosh Raka be a Manifestation like Mara and Ama Nin?

Fan fiction, I suspect.

If it's not from the games or over at the Imperial Library, take it with at least one grain of salt. That includes info at the UESP.

Alright then, thanks for warning me

What about the Ama Nin part? is that wrong too?

Dogmen? Would you mind showing me where they're mentioned?

I always love your links. Rock on.

Oh, and we don't actually have to ignore the names to make that link. "Tiger-Dragon" and "Tiber Septim"?
It's a bit of stretch, but there could be something to it.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mysterious-akavir

"Ada'Soom Dir-Kamal, a king among demons, attempted to conquer Morrowind, but Almalexia and the Underking destroyed him at Red Mountain."

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-third-edition-akavir

Edit: ninja'd.

I got it covered. It amounts to, more or less, a rumor.

http://www.earlymoments.com/Dr-Seuss--His-Friends-Club/List-of-Dr-Seuss-books1/Richard-Scarrys-Pie-Rats-Ahoy/? http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z43/sevenarts/cinema/shining1.jpg?


The dog men may look something like http://img715.imageshack.us/i/mihalli.gif/.

I like to imagine at least one of them looked a lot like Fox McCloud.

It's strange, though. The lore from the first PGE was so much more fascinating than almost everything that's come before or after in any video game fiction I'm aware of. It made Tamriel seem like a truly mysterious and interesting place. Not all of that's been lost, of course. Most of it's still intact. But some of the little things..the mysteries..having them explored and expounded has shrank them somehow.

For instance, the mysterious references to the Tribunal and how nobody has seen them in hundreds of years and the speculation as to whether they actually exist or ever did and whether the priesthood does things in the name of nonexistent or dead gods. That part was deep and intriguing. As fun as it was to meet the Tribunal face to face, it reduced them somehow, you know?

That's one reason I hope we never see Akavir. It would be less than it is now.

I understand you! But I'm a very curious guy and I perceive things mostly visually so seeing a Ka Po' Tun or a Tsaesci would be amazing for me. All we can ever do is read about them and have this very very little information about them. So now I've got a very distorted picture of a tiger with dragon skin or a golden anaconda so unless they at least release a sketch I'll be hungry for more info!

mmhmm, I feel the same way. It's such a rich and fascinating bit of work. Nothing intrigues me more than how it describes the Khajiit; so strange and wondrously new. They've still got a lot of that charm and mystery. They're still something unique and set apart from the rest of the races and cultures. But unlike Akavir, I think a game set in Elsweyr is pretty inevitable, and I both eagerly anticipate a closer look and somewhat worry about the loss of what that closer inspection will strip away.

Ah, thanks a bunch.