How did Yagrum Survive for so long?

Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:17 pm

So I was thinking about Yagrum Bagarn earlier, and realized, for him to have survived well into the Third Era, he must have had some way to increase the longevity of his lifespan.

Let's just look at the timeline so you see what I'm talking about:

  • The Dwemer Disappeared in 1E 700
  • The First Era ends in 1E 2920, by then the Dwemer would have been gone for 2220 years.
  • The Second Era lasts for 896 years, by this time the Dwemer would have been gone for 3116 years.
  • The Blight, and with it Corprus, only start getting spread around 3E 427, even though Dagoth ur was said to have reawakened in 2E 882.
  • The Nerevarine meets Yagrum Bagarn in 3E 427, meaning the Dwemer would have already been gone for 3543 years, making Yagrum more than 3500 years old.

Yagrum said that when he returned from an Outer Realm, he searched long for other Dwemer, but instead found the Divine disease, however, the Divine disease only surfaced in 3E 427, earliest 2E 882 if we assume Dagoth Ur immediately started spreading it after he re-awoke. Even if I'm mistaken and Yagrum did end up with Corprus shortly after he returned to Tamriel, it's safe to assume the disease would have totally transformed him beyond recognition by then, so I don't think that's a possibility.

This would mean Yagrum would have had to extend his lifetime some 3500+ years before getting Corprus, and while this is not entirely out of the question (Divayth Fyr is said to be over 4000 years old in Morrowind), it does pose some interesting implications.

So what do you think? I've never really thought about it until now, but looking at the timeline, it's pretty interesting to think about.

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Wayne W
 
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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:34 am

I assume that the reason Yagrum is still around after 3500 years is similar to the reason Dwemer artifacts are also still in good nick after so long. The Dwemer were known for their ability to bend the laws of nature to their will.

Also possible is that he was not subject to time while in the "outer realm".

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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:50 am

This seems to have some evidence. Miraak can claim an even 'longer' life than Yagrum, and he spent much of it in Oblivion. And time has been mentioned before as passing differently there.

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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:01 am

It should also be noted that there are Telvanni Mage-Lords that are old enough to remember when the God-Kings were still mortal, so extending life that far is not completely unheard of.

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Anna Beattie
 
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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:04 pm

I had considered these things. It just makes me wonder what he was up to though.

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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:10 am


You wouldn't happen to know the source where this is mentioned, would you? I've always been under the impression that time flows in a linear fashion throughout the Aurbis, hence the Time Dragon's imposition upon the order of time allowing all other et'Ada to take on identities. The only difference is that Oblivion exists outside of Arkay's sphere, so time has no effect there, making the denizens of Oblivion immortal.
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Chris Jones
 
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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:50 am

The Time Dragon was tied to Mundus through the process of Convention. I can only guess here, but I would assume that means that his association with the realms of Oblivion and Aetherius is tenuous if not nonexistent. Unfortunately, I've only ever seen the reference to time passing differently in Oblivion in terms of second-hand references on the forum, so I don't know where the information comes from.

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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:34 am

Not off hand, no. I can imagine it was extrapolated from what is known about how time works in the Aurbis. It was all explained to me at some point in the past. I can't remember the sources. If there in fact were any.

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Post » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:04 pm


I believe otherwise, mainly because Alduin devours every bit of the Aurbis, including Oblivion. I figure that if it is felt by time, then it is devoured by the Time Dragon and loses its identity.
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