How does it come that many people are dissapointed about the

Post » Tue May 03, 2011 3:52 am

Honestly none of those are logical reasons.


More like terrible reasons. Although he missed an important one:

4. Im just riding someones coattails and saying what they say.



I love how people can't see obvious sarcasm and then ridicule someone lol. Reread his post and think about my reply....
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 7:58 pm

I love how people can't see obvious sarcasm and then ridicule someone lol. Reread his post and think about my reply....

Or post better so people dont misconstrue what you say.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 1:42 am

Or post better so people dont misconstrue what you say.


His post began with "Bulls*** reasons why people are against spears." and then I reply with a positive spin, that was obvious sarcasm and doesn't mean you can go flaming me.....twice now. Your lucky I haven't already reported you... Don't ridicule people just because they have differing opinions than you do on a subject.

But yeah, if somehow Bethesda can balance spears, I'm all for returning them to the game but anything short of that they shouldn't return. Skyrim will possibly have polearms, which is a compromise by Bethesda for those that want spears, they are almost exactly the same weapon, just different modes of attacking.
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 9:38 pm

His post began with "Bulls*** reasons why people are against spears." and then I reply with a positive spin, that was obvious sarcasm and doesn't mean you can go flaming me.....twice now. Your lucky I haven't already reported you... Don't ridicule people just because they have differing opinions than you do on a subject.

I seriously sensed no sarcasm in your post. I thought you were serious and his number one isn't even a valid opinion, its an idiots fallacy.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 2:00 am

One of the most pervasive weapons in history left out of a setting where its perfect, in addition to being one of the only different weapon styles when compared to every other weapon in the game (ALL slashing/bludgeoning weapons, whereas spears are stabbing weapons)? That's a lot to be disappointed about.



That and the fact that they were in the TES world already. Its as if the entire world forgot how to put a sharp object on the end of a stick and thrust it at the enemy. If they were never in any of the TES games I wouldn't mind it so much. That being said, I am not going to cry myself to sleep if they are not in Skyrim, but I do think it isn't a great reflection on Bethesda's community awareness if they are gone...the thing that was most asked for to be brought back.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 8:02 am

The reason for me to have spears in Skyrim and in other TES sequels is not because its another content or "feature" that we miss from Morrowind, but more a feature that we miss from a TES game. What Im saying is that im tired of seing developers cutting out gameplay content for no good reason at all. Thats not improvement in my eys.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 12:37 am

The reason for me to have spears in Skyrim and in other TES sequels is not because its another content or "feature" that we miss from Morrowind, but more a feature that we miss from a TES game. What Im saying is that im tired of seing developers cutting out gameplay content for no good reason at all. Thats not improvement in my eys.


Except that everytime they have "cut" gameplay content it was for a good reason. Armor slots because of the enchanting exploit and they didn't have time to fix it. Spears because they were exploitable. Levitate because it was exploitable and also because of closed cities. There was only one skill from Morrowind that was cut and that was spears. Also, I distinctly remember people saying how useless spears were and that they hated them and now it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 6:19 am

I love how people can't see obvious sarcasm and then ridicule someone lol. Reread his post and think about my reply....


Hahahaha, you obviously do not know what sarcasm is
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 10:02 am

My post just means that their really is no reason to not have spears.

But most of all the reason is people just want to pull my and others teeth because their tired of all the spear rage.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 5:00 am

Hahahaha, you obviously do not know what sarcasm is


Sarcasm- Harsh or Bitter derision or Irony.
Irony- The use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of it's literal meaning.

Bullsh*t reasons people are against spears.

1. I don't care because I don't use spears, no one used them. :P

2. Quit trying to place everything Morrowind into Skyrim. :swear:

3. Spears were broken in previous games and lead to being overpowered in our single player experience. :geek:


Seems like all valid reasons. Good job cataloging them.


Thus is a text book case of sarcasm.


OT, I personally think the possible polearms in Skyrim will look better than spears and in my opinion, it will slate any thirst for a pole weapon of any kind. That's just me of course and some people have a very specific taste for spears.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 9:26 am

Sarcasm- Harsh or Bitter derision or Irony.
Irony- The use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of it's literal meaning.





Thus is a text book case of sarcasm.


That's not sarcasm. You were saying those were valid reasons whereas he was saying they weren't
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 11:54 pm

That's not sarcasm. You were saying those were valid reasons whereas he was saying they weren't

Guys this is a raging flaming spear thread, not web definitions for sarcasm threads. Lets just agree to disagree and try not to think that you couldn't make the other person see from your perspective and still doesn't share your opinion.

Now back to the flaming!
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 6:38 pm

That's not sarcasm. You were saying those were valid reasons whereas he was saying they weren't


Read it, he said they are (and I'm paraphrasing to skirt away from offensive language) bad reasons for why people don't want spears and I replied that they are all good reason, sarcastically, the opposite of it's true meaning, which is the definition of irony and irony is one of the definitions of sarcasm and thus, what I said was sarcastic and I don't know why your denying it when i just gave evidence to the fact. P.S can we move this to personal messenger instead of filling the thread with extra bloat (though I'm still contributing to the thread topic in my posts :tongue:)

OT, I'm not sure why so many people are disappointed at the lack of spears. I think it's just the fact that the most vocal of the community are those that started with Morrowind and even though they didn't care for them that much when they played the game, nostalgia makes them pine for everything to be the same as Morrowind now that we have moved on to new games.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 3:32 am

Given how few spear mods there are for Oblivion, I'm guessing it's just a small but very vocal number of people on the forums. :shrug:

Or because it's nearly impossible to do properly?
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 6:49 pm

Or because it's nearly impossible to do properly?

Yeah, that is very true. It was a pain, I've tried.
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 7:03 pm

Read it, he said they are (and I'm paraphrasing to skirt away from offensive language) bad reasons for why people don't want spears and I replied that they are all good reason, sarcastically, the opposite of it's true meaning, which is the definition of irony and irony is one of the definitions of sarcasm and thus, what I said was sarcastic and I don't know why your denying it when i just gave evidence to the fact. P.S can we move this to personal messenger instead of filling the thread with extra bloat (though I'm still contributing to the thread topic in my posts :tongue:)

OT, I'm not sure why so many people are disappointed at the lack of spears. I think it's just the fact that the most vocal of the community are those that started with Morrowind and even though they didn't care for them that much when they played the game, nostalgia makes them pine for everything to be the same as Morrowind now that we have moved on to new games.


As written your statement would not normally be read as sarcasm. If you are trying to be sarcastic you actually need to overemphasize and be obvious. You obviously don't know how to convey sarcasm.

But yes, to be on topic: As I said before, personally it might be a bit strange to not have spears considering they are one of the most commonly used weapons throughout history along with the bow
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 5:48 am

I want a large variety of weapons to fit my role. I want to be whatever character I want, and that's what the series is based off of. However, either Todd or (most likely) the team has agreed that it would be better if each weapon and skill had more meaning. This is why the skills are simplified and why there are less weapons.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 3:37 am

maybe because some people like spears? seems like a logical reason but you really gotta think about it. besides there will be pole arms and thats just as good to me
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 6:45 am

Actually, thats the case.

Many agreed that you couldn't find anything in Morrowind - Magic compass

Many agreed that Spears were exploits, buggy and made everything easy - No spears

Many complained that after a shortwhile one was godlike and no more challenges appeared in Morrowind - Level scaling

Many touted how there were so many useless skillls and how they didn't use half the weapons availible- all we are left with is Swords, Bows and maces in Oblivion.

Many said how exploitable enchanting multiple peices of armor was in morrowind - less armor. less pieces, and enchanting threshold.

So Bethesda didn't do all of that stuff to get people mad?
It's kind of funny how things work out, people ask for something, get it, and complain.

[Blatant Sarcasm]
If only there was some sort of tool where those people can change the game in any way they want.
[/Blatant Sarcasm]

I don't mind if there are spears or not. Or crossbows, if that's the case.
I didn't use spears in Morrowind, I like one-handed swords more. I like being able to use a shield, so no spears in Oblivion doesn't matter to me. I didn't use bows crossbows in Morrowind, but I ended up using a bow for the occasional Dark Brotherhood quest or picking people off from on top of a building, so no crossbows didn't change my view on Oblivion.

EDIT:
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Be nice, people! This is supposed to be about spears, not what the difference between irony and sarcasm is.

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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 8:25 am

I never used spears in Morrowind. But then again, I also hardly ever used bows, staves, or hand to hand combat...
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 10:11 am

I could care less.


Its actually "couldn't" :P

But seriously, I am with you, I don't use spears in Morrowind and I wouldn't use them in Skyrim. The most I would do is toy with them, Make an Argonian and RP that he is a tribal Argonian from Black Marsh and wields a spear. lol
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 5:16 am

Its actually "couldn't" :P

But seriously, I am with you, I don't use spears in Morrowind and I wouldn't use them in Skyrim. The most I would do is toy with them, Make an Argonian and RP that he is a tribal Argonian from Black Marsh and wields a spear. lol


And it's actually "it's" (with an apostrophe).

We don't want to start correcting grammar on this forum, our work will never be done. :)

[But if we do, can we start with the person who misspelled Todd's name in their sig? It's T-O-D-D. Not that hard . . .]

~ Dani ~ :)
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 7:15 pm

And it's actually "it's" (with an apostrophe).

We don't want to start correcting grammar on this forum, our work will never be done. :)

[But if we do, can we start with the person who misspelled Todd's name in their sig? It's T-O-D-D. Not that hard . . .]

~ Dani ~ :)


Touche'

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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 6:41 am

What about the fact that it suits the Viking feeling Skyrim is trying to accomplish? I personally would love seeing spears in Skyrim just for that fact. Even if I couldn't use it and only NPCs could, I would still want to see it, it adds a lot. It's a primitive weapon, and Skyrim is an ancient place.

Lots of reasons really, but mainly it's just weird that there aren't stave and spear weapons in an entire world of warriors. Think about it.
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Post » Tue May 03, 2011 7:48 am

If it's true that Skyrim will be technologically more primitive that previous games, I'm surprised about the exclusion of spears. As you said, spears are one of the oldest weapons and most commonly used in the history of war. Besides the club and primitive axes, the spear is such a primal and basic weapon. Grab long stick, sharpen a point, voila. It's like the bread and butter of ancient and medieval weaponry.
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