Oh god, another spear thread. This is beyond beating a dead horse. The dead horse is now a gooey smear on the ground. You are getting other polearms (supposedly) instead of spears as it is easier to balance swinging pole weapons than stabbing ones. Why can't you be happy people? WHY!?!!

And yes I'm aware the premise of the thread was that he didn't care that they weren't in but he opened pandoras box for a battleground of people that want spears against those that could careless or hate spears. Just going to call it a spear thread hehe.

People want variety. Variety=more RP possibilities. More is better. Especially when Beth is capable of quality and quantity.

However let it be noticed that these complaints were true of morrowind, it was bethesda that chose to "fix" them so poorly. However the mere fact that magic in skyrim is no longer limited to balls of bad particle effects means that bethesda is capable of doing it right. So in other words I have faith in them, but that much

This.

Well since there is no spears would that mean they are copy and pasting from Oblivion then?

I would have liked spears in the game. I do miss them it was great to have instead of hack and slash all the time with Swords and axes all the time.

Maybe in that DLC we will be able to wield a Spear when we are in a Werewolf form while riding a dragon. :tes:

Skyrim is such an awesome game people need stupid stuff to complain about
also change is scary

I like miniguns, can I hast miniguns in Skyrim? Pretty please bethesda? Would make dragon fights so fun.

I didn't use them in MW and probably wouldn't use the in Skyrim either.

No. Just no.

Yes, spears were exploitive in Morrowind's combat system. Actually Morrowind's combat system as a whole had a lot of faults too.

Maybe they should change it...
Oh wait, they already did.

What I'm saying is that your reasoning would only make sense if both Oblivion and Skyrim would use Morrowind's combat.

No, it wouldn't only make sense if they used Morrowinds combat, people stated their discontent and beth did not include them simple as that and I said nothing about Morrowind Combat being flawless, but Morrowinds Combat being superceeded by Oblivion is not an Argument, that comes with time. they didnt add spears because thats what they drew from their fans, whether or not that was the correct action is a subjective personalization.





Thats the point...people complained, and it shapped the next game


Completely subjective and its just another example, I don't consider Fable 3 type magic, "good" or doing it "right"

Yes but it gets to the point where fans ask for more and more and never happy with the amount of weapons or armor types and then flawed weapons types *cough* spears *cough* get thrown in. Quantity is limited only by two things, time and mechanics. As it stands, spears are just too clunky and exploitable and it would take quite a bit of time to balance them out and Bethesda compromised and (supposedly) are adding in other polearms to give pole weapon fans something and still have them be balanced.

When you have less and less in every game, how is that asking for too much? Instead of balancing, they just get rid of X feature. That's laziness. 90% of the time Quality just equates to better graphics. We lose content because of better graphics and time restraints. If we get less just because thats how Beth wants to make it and it doesnt really have to do with any technical restraints, then thats even worse. Im not just talking about spears though Im talking everything we've lost, or will lose.

The Bolded sentence is only applicable to Morrowind, Not Oblivion, Not Skyrim that is an example Bukee can use If Skyrim and Oblivion had Morrowinds Combat

They don't just subtract features, they add as well.

Well Skyrim is way different than Oblivion, so that can't be true. Plus if you went that way, that's like saying Oblivion was a copy and paste of Legend of Zelda because it didn't have spears :tongue:

However, the guy you quoted was correct, many people just want a copy and paste of Morrowind but I for one would not like to see anything remotely similar to Morrowind in any way but in the quality of the main quest. Oblivion had the amazing quality side quests (god I love those side quests) and Skyrim seems to have the amazing quality gameplay and world. Now if the gameplay and world in Skyrim hashes out to be what we hope it is and what it seems to be and has a main quest as stellar as Morrowind's and side quests of Oblivion, we have one helluva game (best game ever made, past, present and future)

We want spears so we can re-enact the story of the lusty argonian maid in skyrim.

They add, but they usually take away more then they add. and the stuff they do take away are usually favorites to certain gamer groups. Like the huge want fr spears, thrown weapons, climbing, spell creation (if its out), etc. Of course I want new features, I want ES to evolve, but I think we can have our cake and eat it too. I have that type of faith in Beth that they can make a RPG that rivals Chivalry & Sorcery in terms of depth and content.

Please stop using [People want a carbon copy Morrowind all over again as a way to discredit them.

nobody wants Morrowind repackaged and shipped exactly as it was 10 years ago, they want what Bethesda was Smoking 10 years ago when the sheer number of factions and sidequests outnumbered Oblivions, when it was True that one could do Anything but not Everything. thats what they want, not Morrowind 2.0.....

That reminds me, I gotta make a spear thread tonight. :verymad:

I'd like them in, but someone will mod them in.

This is a big misconception that I keep trying to clear up. From Arena to Daggerfall, there was MANY things added to the game. From Daggerfall to Morrowind was the biggest drop in content as you move into a fully 3d world, it was massive and people complained about it at the time but as you can see, that has faded away. Then from Morrowind to Oblivion, there was almost nothing lost. Only one skill was removed from the game, due to issues, and a few other minor things like reduction in armor slots, once again attributed to exploitability and levitation (also heavily exploitable and also because of closed off cities). Now from Oblivion to Skyrim, nothing....NOTHING is being removed and in fact from what we know, things are actually being added to the game. I don't get the whole "Bethesda is cutting more and more things and making my game shallow" arguments and then people use Oblivion as the poster child when in reality Morrowind was the biggest cut in content of all the games ( not including the Adventures of course).

Woodcutting, smithing, mining, farming, cooking, dual wielding, more in depth spell system, dragon shouts, shield bashing...and that's with the limited info we know.

Are these things confirmed? I never heard that this has been confirmed

Or: "I just got Morrowind a year ago after playing through OB (for three years), I like Morrowind way more since it got spears, evolution I love spears." -Me.
and then "Holy [CENSORED]! Flails! Amazing! The only kind of weapon I like better than spears... but sadly Flails are ten times as hard to imperment and therefor I don't waste my time ranting 'bout something I now is impossible to get." -Me.

This how I feel as well. I did not much care for the spear combat in Morrowind at all. I didn't much care for a lot of stuff from Morrowind but I can understand why it is held in such high regard. I'm sorry for those of you that are disappointed but it seems like you have to take the good with bad sometimes when you watch a game franchise grow and evolve over time.