You're NOT supposed to be able to check for enemy Operatives since it totally defeats the purpose of having the disguise in the first place. The only way for people to see through disguises is for them to be an Operative themselves or by being a person who the Operative is disguised as.

Having Friendly Fire on with vote kicking available is probably going to be the best option for keeping disguises viable (in pubs at least, future comp chat "GUIZ, OPERATIVE KILLED ME, LOOK OUT FOR MY NAMETAG"). Not really looking forward to the elitist pricks taking advantage of that feature when you make most tiny of mistake though. =I

And if you can't walk through a teammate then it's melee stomp party time.

you CAN walk through team mates, well, not through but if 2 people try occupy the same spot, they will be gently pushed aside so there's room to pass

The real question is just HOW friendly should friendly fire be?

Well, I'll tell you, the Canadian army has a saying "Friendly Fire isn't"

It should work as it did in ETQW (previously stated) ability to file reports when a person TKs (team-kills) or FFs you.
Judging whether you think it is an accident or not you file reports and the server host has a certain number of complaints filed before it kicks the repeat offender.
It worked great, someone way have killed be 4 -5 times but i knew he was just clearing a room with a nade so i wouldn't file. If it were a griefer i would have filed.

Why reflective damage doesn't work is because it doesn't account for accidents, which are completely normal and shouldn't be punished by a silly FF deterrent for griefers (not to mention all the other good points brought up).

Your talking as if you know how the disguise system works in brink.....

IMO If the operative disguise can't be taken out with damage then it is too overpowered and removes skill from the equation. No need to be careful just run through enemies without fear of being discovered.

You can walk through people as long as you are moving, if you both try to stop in the same place, you will both be pushed to the side until you aren't standing in the same spot.

True, but you still take the risk of damaging yourself that way.


I think both shared damage and a complain system should be in place. I do hate it when you lob a grenade somewhere, then someone from your team rushes in, dies on your grenade and then files a complaint.

imo, FF has no place on the internets.... someone is griefing just 1 person and you will never get the votes to boot them or even 2 or 3 people and you won't be able to get him kicked and even if he pisses off enough people to get him kicked, he just rejoins. FF is a griefer's wet dream and adds nothing but "realism" to a largely unrealistic game.

I do hope no one has mentioned this, but in the 'Container City' gameplay videos on the Brink main site, when Paul Wedgwood (who I assume is playing) accidentally shoots his teammate, negative xp markers appear.

Due to the updates made to the game since the videos were released I'm unsure how accurate this is or if it is even a good assumption, but it seems quite likely.

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And what about game like COD:BO, you get automatically kicked if you kill too many ppl. And you can't normally rejoin the exact same game cause of matchmaking.

If brink autmatically kicked you and made you lose EXP, then griefers would die out. Also in my 15 years of gaming, I haven't played with many griefers, they seem to be attracted to PC, and I'm a consoler

From Horse's compendium.



I wasn't aware mindless disguise checking was considered skill.

Enemy Operatives can see through disguises, there's your fear of being discovered.

Skill of the person who is disguised not the checking. If they don't have to be wary of being shot and losing the disguise, then it becomes too easy.
Also it's not that mindless if you have the possibility of penalties if you are wrong.

Enemy operatives will normally not be with the main group, so where is the fear now.

Seems fair enough to me. the threat of having operatives spot you will make people using disguises be careful, but at the same time, it wont make disguises useless, a team should never have more than one or two of them, and they will most likely be behind enemy lines most of the time. Someone could play defensively with operative, but it would minimize the usefulness of most of their skills.

Precisely. Spy vs Spy at its best.

Shared damage from single small caliber bullet isn't really a risk in a game with regenerating health, it'll just be annoying as hell and would still be a sure fire way to get rid of disguises.


Are you talking about a vote kick option or a complaint system similar to XBL's? The former is at least good for getting rid of afkers and people who delibretly grief ,even if it is easily abused by elitist dike wads who will boot you for the scenerio you described even if it was clearly an accident, the latter is a stupid passive aggressive epeen stroking tool for butt hurt cry babies that think reputation points matter. So... I guess pick your poison.

Granted, I don't like Friendly Fire either, but it's the only sure fire way to get rid of disguise checking, which as I said before, is bad.


A wise statement o' beloved High Priest.

Wait how does shooting the operative remove the disguise?

With Brink being an objective based game, there has to be some system in place in regards to FF.. MAG had/has a huge problem with people TK'n while somebody was capturing the objective.. The first fix was to turn off FF melee, the second was reduced bullet damage.. Neither were effective.

I do not like reflect damage as a solution either. I think if anything is effective it's negative XP but it would have to be large enough to make people not want to kill team members.

Yeah Wraith shanking them in the back should be the only way right!!

Dunno if shooting people does remove the disguise, doesn't make any logical sense. Does need more than one way to spot them though

Yeah true, And I agree that there needs to be more than 1 way to find a disguised operative. And that one way doesn't even get rid of the disguise (Does it?) It just lets an operative see through it.

I was saying that shooting at the operative shouldn't remove the disguise. The operative shooting someone should drop it. As far as backstabbing not removing the disguise it sounds good to me. Beats TF2.



Everything can be countered operatives are simply better prepared to counter other operatives. Besides how much damage could one operatives possibly do ? :batman:

No, shooting operatives doesn't remove the disguise, but it's easy to check for spies when FF in turned of. If you do damage, it's an operative of the enemy team.

But there will be friendly fire on as default, so if it's not an operative, somebody sure is gonna be pissed

That's the whole point of this thread. They want to know how we can be sure that no one's getting pissed becuase of some morons trying to spy-check every now and then.