How long until the world gets back to normal?

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:22 pm

I don't think the NCR will ever take over the entire country. On the West Coast we have the NCR, on the East Coast we have the Commonwealth, but we know of no nations in the mid-west that have formed. I'm sure there are, however, we just haven't heard about them yet. And if and when the NCR ever reaches the mid-west, they will surely put up a fight.

The Commonwealth, from what we know, sounds like a damn interesting setting. It's a nation whose government is more concerned with advancing it's own technological prowess than the well being of it's own population. It creates androids for the purpose of enslaving them, and has an entire branch of the police dedicated to hunting down any that try to escape, no matter how far they go. Assuming they put that advanced technology to use in their army, they would surely put up a good fight if the NCR ever managed to reach the East Coast.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:09 pm

7.1 million years is my prediction.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:07 am

Or until another nuclear war?


I don't think the world will be "normal" again for an extremely long time.

Within a span of, say ... 200 years the world, or at least the U.S., will finally start to get back on its feet again with the help of a re-established infrastructure.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:35 pm

Never. Because then we would be out of Fallout sequels!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:51 am

Define "normal"...

I've got the feeling that it'd be a bunch of warring fifedoms like in Deathlands for hundreds of years. Or maybe A Canticle for Liebowitz. That's if the Strontium-90, Uranium-238, and Carbon-14 doesn't kill all the survivors with rad poisoning and cancer first.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:55 pm

To me, 200 years. Probably hitting 2500. I don't think it'll be like just before the great war, with nations such as the USA, and things like what is considered the USA in fallout (Remember, they annexed Canada) will just be a swarm of large factions competing for land and citizens. Cities will be built, definitely, and places such as the capital wasteland will slowly merge into a single city, to give an idea for size.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:46 pm

Compared to some places in the world today, the Capitol Wasteland is normal.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:41 am

I don't think the NCR will ever take over the entire country. On the West Coast we have the NCR, on the East Coast we have the Commonwealth, but we know of no nations in the mid-west that have formed. I'm sure there are, however, we just haven't heard about them yet. And if and when the NCR ever reaches the mid-west, they will surely put up a fight.

The Commonwealth, from what we know, sounds like a damn interesting setting. It's a nation whose government is more concerned with advancing it's own technological prowess than the well being of it's own population. It creates androids for the purpose of enslaving them, and has an entire branch of the police dedicated to hunting down any that try to escape, no matter how far they go. Assuming they put that advanced technology to use in their army, they would surely put up a good fight if the NCR ever managed to reach the East Coast.



This has always been my belief. About 200 years from FO3/FO New Vegas you could have the NCR controlling west of the Mississippi with the Commonwealth/Brotherhood controlling the East. The East would be far more advanced technologically. It would be a technocracy with the bulk of the population with little power, but with a high standard of living. There would be few ghouls and those would be engaged in occupations deemed too dangerous for humans. As for the NCR, this would be larger in area but not nearly as advanced. What it makes up for though is a much larger population and more personal freedoms. Ghouls (and perhaps even some Super Mutants) would form a large minority and would probably be far more loyal to the NCR.

In the end this could be interesting as both sides probably would be hostile towards each other. History may repeat itself!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:00 am

It took 600 years from the decline of the Roman Empire to the rise of the Renaissance. So 600 years is the meterstick for this kind of thing, though Rome didn't collapse in two hours like the world did in Fallout.

But I highly doubt the world will ever be "Normal" again. For starters, the whole point of the Resource Wars that lead into the Final War was battling over Earth's few remaining fossil fuel resources. There's literally not enough left to restart Civilization as it had been.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:21 pm

It won't. When civilisation was created the first time, there were no super mutants or incredibly dangerous wild animals.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:23 am

What you're going to end up seeing... and actually DO see a bit of in the Fallout series... is what could realistically be referred to as the Second Dark Age.


When catastrophic events like this happen, they tend to happen in cycles. The first, of course, being mass destruction and extinction. Though the wars of the Middle Ages never had weapons like that of the atomic bomb... they DID achieve the same kinds of death-tolls we would see in the event of a nuclear war... over a much greater span of time.

There would never be a day when you could go back to living without hearing mention of a 'deathclaw', for instance.

Likely, Ghouls will be a fact of life for many hundreds of years to come as well.

That being said... a SEMBLANCE of normality is already being achieved, roughly two hundred-some-odd years later.

It's not impossible to think that one day, there might be a nation spanning all of the North American continent.

But you can bet your ass that it's going to be a long, violent, arduous process... full of its own atrocities and triumphs.


The real trouble is going to be resources. Most of them were burned up, destroyed, or made entirely unavailable during the Resource Wars. Industry is going to need to evolve in an entirely different way for a long, long while. Fossil Fuels take hundreds, even thousands of years to develop.

They can be produced synthetically... but it is prohibitively expensive.


Oh well. Enough speculation from me.

I'm off to the Capital Wasteland, for yet another adventure.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:46 am

I doubt there will ever again be a single nation spanning the North American continent. Especially when you figure there are already plenty of nations already up and running in a relatively small strip of land in what used to be the US anyway.

As for the return of normalcy, Arcade in New Vegas mentions that the downside of the Followers of the Apocalypse giving people access to free medical care is everyone is living longer - and exhausting their supply of Pre-War medicines. While Stimpacks can be created, other medicines are beyond the modern abilities of the Wasteland to reproduce. When those supplies run dry, expect a backslide as population declines due to previously "curable" ailments.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:07 am

Before New Vegas, the NCR, it turns out, invaded the Baja Peninsula, almost doubling the size (lengthwise) of their nation. They invaded what was once Mexico. That right there already breaks the definition of what we'd call going back to normal. Caesar's Legion controls all of Arizona, New Mexico, most of Colorado and some of Utah, as long as it's east of the Colorado River. And a possible ending for the Great Khans, which will likely be the canon ending due to it being the "good" one, is that they fled the Mojave Wasteland to what was once Wyoming, reunited with the Followers of the Apocalypse and "carved a great empire out of the ruins of the northwest."

So what we have, essentially, is three relatively large nations in the West side of what was once the US. That's all well and good, but there's a HUGE amount of land left that we know nothing about. What's more, even though we know about the East, the largest nation we know about is the Commonwealth, which is still pretty tiny in comparison to the nations in the west. My point is that It's going to be a long time, and a handful of Fallout games, until there are enough nations controlling enough area to really say anybody has reclaimed what was once the US, and even then, there will be a handful of different nations doing so. Could they all be united under one flag, and the nations turned into states that could secede like our states can today? I doubt it.

Oh and last I checked the information in the first paragraph isn't on The Vault yet, so if you want to see for yourself, go into the GECK and search for the words "Baja," "Wyoming," and the names of the states I said Caesar controls.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:25 am

I would say a thousand years more.

You see, it took 2000 years for the world to become the way it was, but we had to develop everything. In Fallouts destroyed world, everything is developed, just needs rebuilding. So I would imagine it to take roughly half the time.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:40 pm

It took 600 years from the decline of the Roman Empire to the rise of the Renaissance. So 600 years is the meterstick for this kind of thing, though Rome didn't collapse in two hours like the world did in Fallout.

But I highly doubt the world will ever be "Normal" again. For starters, the whole point of the Resource Wars that lead into the Final War was battling over Earth's few remaining fossil fuel resources. There's literally not enough left to restart Civilization as it had been.

Yeah, let's ignore the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, the Carolingian Empire, the Abbasid Caliphate and so on. They might not have had the relative power of Rome in its heyday (which didn't have it for that long either) but they all achieved things the Romans didn't and certainly made their territory relatively safe and prosperous.
By the way there's more than 600 years between the Fall of Rome and the Italian Renaissance, unless you meant the Carolingian Renaissance of course, but that one was less than 600 years.

Actually civilization is restarting retardedly slow in the Fallout Universe circa FO3/NV, we might not expect cities, reliable long distance travel and so on. But it doesn't even show villages being built new, everyone lives literally in the garbage of a past civilization. How about chopping some trees for houses? Painting your shacks? Plastering the outsides of them? Cleaning up the damn skeletons everywhere? That's basic stuff for which you don't need advanced technology, ffs, they've been doing it for millennia.
I know they're going for some frontier feel, but they've done a [censored] job of explaining it. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

But IIRC NCR/Shady Sands is a pretty clean city now, the slides at the end of FO2 at least showed it pristine. Likewise we can probably assume all of NCR is pretty much living in clean actually functioning villages/towns.

Still love the game though if I'm sounding a bit too negative.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:49 pm

The biggest issue with how long it would take to get back to normal falls on when do certain vaults open, what is the mindset of the people within the vault, are they another branch of the old military like the enclave seeking to reclaim the old us for its elected official. Maybe a group like the brotherhood? After that, how do the react to the powers that be in their region?, if your vault opens its doors and you've got the kind of gear the enclave has but you find yourself in the middle of NCR territory are you going to sit back and just become a part of the wasteland society that is going to want to take all of your neat toy's?, most groups with that kind of tech are liable to the the screw you in right before they open fire on you. So in my opinion the wasteland wont be fully secure until a group much like the NCR manages to grab hold of all their territory and clear all of the vaults and bunkers out either by bringing them into the fold or straight out eliminating the occupants. I would expect to see the map more carved up with many smaller nations more like medieval Europe. Like the NCR holding its landmass, maybe the BoS from FO3 having a good region up there, I dont foresee ceasers legions just disappearing anytime soon so they are likely to hold territory and wars will be the norm with people focusing most of their military might protecting their borders.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:32 am

Actually civilization is restarting retardedly slow in the Fallout Universe circa FO3/NV, we might not expect cities, reliable long distance travel and so on. But it doesn't even show villages being built new, everyone lives literally in the garbage of a past civilization. How about chopping some trees for houses? Painting your shacks? Plastering the outsides of them? Cleaning up the damn skeletons everywhere? That's basic stuff for which you don't need advanced technology, ffs, they've been doing it for millennia.
I know they're going for some frontier feel, but they've done a [censored] job of explaining it. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far.


Yeah, the Mojave's only recently been "Civilized" due to Mister House and NCR presence. I still maintain the Capital Wasteland hasn't been habitable to anyone but Ghouls and Super Mutants until recently, due to the radiation.

But really, the Mojave's settlements are generally well maintained compared to the run down shanties of the Capital Wasteland. The only thing that bugs me is the dead body in Primm. Seriously, isn't anyone going to bury the poor bastard?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:28 pm

Of course there is no real way of knowing without nuking the planet.


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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:55 pm

*sigh* Does anyone pay attention in school or read any more? The world has gone through apocolypses with what we would consiter frighteneing regularity. We're spoiled because we haven't experienced one in known history. Only about ten thousand years ago the northern hemisphere was scraqed clean and frozen solid yet, as the ice melted, life came back as lush and diverse as ever. Yeah, okay, we lost most of the cast from Ice Age but that's been blamed mostly on the native american population. If I remember correctly, we get devastating volcanic events every seventy five thousand years that clean the world too. Then there are the rocks from above. Many thing go away permanently while many things adapt, evolve and be fruitful.

The Fallout game doen't allow for the insignificant, in game terms, to stand out so out of sight out of mind. First, I don't see the radioactivity from the bombs as infinite. Even in Fallout terms the background radiation is nil except in concentrated areas especially water. What is it with water that it retains radioactivety more than any other substance? Are the oceans totally irradiated too? With Project Purity this will become inceasingly reduced in the Washington area and may lead to replication in other high impact regions. If the Wanderer releases the seeds of Oasis, Washington and the rest of the east coast can expect all sorts of vegetation in decades rather than centuries which is expected anyhow. That's a big jump that our world didn't see a hundred centuries ago, 'Insignificant' animals we don't see in the game will fill the forests and fields just like after the ice age.

I hope Lyons is the future of the Brotherhood at least on the east coast as well as groups like the Rangers. The Wanderer pretty much single handedly cleans out the super mutants and several other threats so reclaiming the Wasteland should be so much easier. The Washington Brotherhood can become the foundation for technical applications for the people allowing people to rebuild society. Once again, check history. Mankind, with the right people and incentives go from scraping unforgiving dirt, dying regularly while still young, and barely thinking beyond the next meal to in centuries. This is without the benefit of working tech artifacts. By 'normal' we probably mean a society that understands and recreates the technology at the beginning of the war plus living standards for health, education and such nearly equal.

Just like the human body many wounds will heal while there may be some scars. More importantly will be the mental traumas of the war and its aftermath that will never let the world go back to whatever they had in the past. If a person from the pre-war days visited the rebuilt future it would be alien to them.


Yes i agree, There something in the fallout wiki that says the U.S would be habitable in 2377. I am pretty sure they mean about 90% habitable. That was stated in the Vault 101
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