To mod nehrim all you need to do is the copy and paste both the cs and the ssce5432.dll into nehrim's folder,hopefully sometime in the future we can see all the great modders make nehrim even better.

Ok not that I'm ready to start modding Nehrim yet - I did notice (and jut posted too) that it uses the old Archive Invalidation.txt format for replacers and such.

Info on that being a pain for modders http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/archiveinvalidation.html.

Until the Nehrim Launcher either manages replacers better or a mod manager is ported to work with Nehrim get http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10724 whish is just a bsa and an edit to the ini.

It should work - haven't tested yet, but likely it will be body mod stuff when I do.

I tried animation replacers (stance with sword drawn) when german version came out, and it worked fine. But it would be nice if someone adjusted DK High Imperials, because it's just impossible to make the included races look anywhere normal (male and female).

Well after getting a bit sick of the vanilla camera - found my first Nehrim mod: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32299

Wrye Bash tweaks have me spoiled.

I chuckle at how everyone seems to be rushing to mod Nehrim already, seemingly without even giving it half a chance

I only tossed in some body replacers, a camera mod (cause I get sick) and things for lag... best to do it vanilla ish first then mod it out. XD

Yeah, but it's mostly the minor tweaks that were annoying when the original oblivion came out. From what I had seen and played I think that Nehrim won't need any major mods(like UL or OOO).

So true..first step outside its like, a real liveing world the birds oh the birds.

Now if only someone could get streamlined to work with it then I would be happy.

Is that because you are experiencing performance issues outdoors?

I'm not out of the mine yet - that damn bit about the torches and me stacking crates then discovering a lever did the job was annoying. Made me want PiiP even though ultimately I didn't need it.

Yeah it is the small tweaks to gameplay and appearance that I'm looking at. But doubtful Darn Dark is going to happen unless Darn or Gothic actually dig into it.

I'm even ok with the combat and magic so far - it is like playing a whole new game.

Fascinating skill system - can't wait to get into that.

And Arthmoor - like you can stop modding.

What mods for lag did you use? Please tell

Well they use some vanilla items in there so keep that in mind, alot of replacers will work in there. I use a low poly grass and trees, I edited my .ini file and I use Oblivion Stutter Remover.
Remember you can use OBSE just install it like you would with oblivion and use it to run the game.

I have FF body and Roberts male body installed, also they only seem to use Imperial face/body and Ren's mystic elves. So just like normal install your vanilla replacers and body meshes, and textures for those races. Then your good to go.

Course there are some new armors and items but I am sure those will get done by people soon.

Yeah I got a hit when I went outside...ouch, but I have it set up kinda high graphics :brokencomputer:

Here's how I see it: modding is not always a criticism. Modding can also be a celebration. :foodndrink: :celebration:

Are you saying I don't need the Nehrim Launcher to launch the game?

I thought the Nehrim Launcher was needed - if not then Yeah I will set up the OBSE launcher with a Nehrim icon.

Starting to think of a mod wishlist.

Harvest Flora is definitely needed - fields of mushroom stalks and me waving my cursor all over the place.

[edit] just tested yeah the Nehrim Launcher not always needed (good) - will get to renaming the OBSE launcher and make it all Nehrimy.

And apparently there is some harvest flora - but not for all types of flora and fungus.

Wow I really didn't think people would post this much in such a simple thread.

First Mod created with Nehrim completely in mind will be a quick start because that mine CG Tutorial start was vastly overwinded about half way through I was wishing for the old Oblivion CG Dungeon -> maybe thats because I am not a huge fan of "Quests On Rails" that I can not deviate from especially in an Open World game where that is the entire point, so far the entire World seems to be on Rails which is not a good thing hoping the world opens up soon.



DarnUI works, It is a mandatory install for me, as the UI they implemented was to much like the Original felt like I was being forced to use a Console UI again.



I would not go that far not having my Combat and Magic Overhauls available just feels like the game got RetConned to an older and more boring version of both systems -> luckily my personal Combat and Spells Overhauls are not Oblivion.esm specific so I just copied those over without any issues.

TQP would not work so I had to create a custom version myself last night I could not deal with the annoying "How Much" or "Are You Sure" BS any longer the first Merchant I found and that was mandatory.

Any way you think you could share the version of TQP that you made for Nehrim SaidenStorm? That's a mod that I can't play without, bartering is incredibly frustrating without it. And did you just install DarnUI just like normal, except in the Nehrim folder?

Darn worked perfect from a 7Zip Drag and Drop install - do not forget to include the Ini changes to Fonts.

Just Copy and paste that into a new empty.esp (do not master the file to anything so it will be usable for either install) as a quest script then attach it to started game enabled quest -> only the Left Shift (Sell Stack) and Left Control (Sell Single) work as I figure that TQP will gets updated eventually I just needed basic functionality now, also it contains another little thing I can not live without and that is the ability to press A to auto Loot everything from corpses and containers.

scn 1SSQSMenuManagementfloat fQuestDelayTime; Static variables.  They should always contain the same value, and never be changed.float fQuestDelayTime		; fQuestDelayTime: 	used to control how often the script is processed; Configuration variables. They have a default value, but can be changed in the configuration menu.short MenuKey					; MenuKey:				stores one of the keys used to open the Configuration Menushort MenuModKey			; MenuModKey:		stores one of the keys used to open the Configuration Menushort LeftStackKey			; LeftStackKey:			stores one of the Stack hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the barter/container screenshort RightStackKey			; RightStackKey:		stores one of the Stack hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the barter/container screenshort LeftSingleKey			; LeftSingleKey:		stores one of the Single hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the barter/container screenshort RightSingleKey			; RightSingleKey:		stores one of the Single hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the barter/container screenshort InvLeftStackKey		; InvLeftStackKey:		stores one of the Stack hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the inventory screenshort InvRightStackKey		; InvRightStackKey:	stores one of the Stack hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the inventory screenshort InvLeftSingleKey		; InvLeftSingleKey:	stores one of the Single hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the inventory screenshort InvRightSingleKey		; InvRightSingleKey:	stores one of the Single hotkeys used to auto-confirm transactions in the inventory screenshort bAutoGiveAway			; bAutoGiveAway:		specifies whether to auto-confirm transactions where the item is being given awayshort DefaultAction			; DefaultAction:			specifies which action to take when none of the above keys are pressed	; DefaultAction == 0, NO items will be auto-confirmed when no button is pressed, and the prompt will appear if NONE of the hotkeys are pressed	; DefaultAction == 1, ONE item will be auto-confirmed when no button is pressed, and the prompt will appear if any of the SINGLE hotkeys are pressed	; DefaultAction == 2, ALL items will be auto-confirmed when no button is pressed, and the prompt will appear if any of the STACK hotkeys are pressed; Operational variables.  Their contents are dynamically set as needed.short bStackPressed			; bStackPressed:		used to cache whether if a Stack hotkey was pressedshort bSinglePressed		; bSinglePressed:		used to cache whether if a Single hotkey was pressedshort promptAmount			; promptAmount: 		used to manipulate the quantity prompt amountshort cMenu					; cMenu: 					used to track which menu screen is openshort CheckKeyStates		; CheckKeyStates:		used to determine how to check the keyboard.string_var sCheck1			; sCheck1:				used to compare temporary stringsstring_var sCheck2			; sCheck2:				used to compare temporary stringsShort DoOnceBegin GameMode	If DoOnce		Return	Else		Set DoOnce to 1		Set LeftStackKey to	42	; Left Shift		Set LeftSingleKey to 29	; Left Control	EndifEndBegin MenuMode 1008	Set fQuestDelayTime to 0.01	If OnKeyDown 30		; Press "A"		If GetMenuFloatValue "user8" 1008 == 2			ClickMenuButton "#32" 1008		Endif	EndifEndBegin MenuMode 1001 ;confirm buy/sell	; cMenu serves as a temporary variable before it is set.	; cMenu == 1, Barter is open, and something is being bought. Use sBuy gamesetting.	; cMenu == 2, Barter is open, and something is being sold. Use sSell gamesetting.	; cMenu == 3, SpellPurchase is open, and a spell is being bought. Use sConfirmBuySpell gamesetting.	set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "user8" 1008	If cMenu == 0		; Barter/Container NOT visible! See if SpellPurchase is.		set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "locus" 1037		If cMenu			; SpellPurchase Visible!			set cMenu to 3		Else			; SpellPurchase NOT visible!			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf	ElseIf cMenu == 2		; Container Visible!		set CheckKeyStates to 0		Return	Else ; cMenu == 3		If GetMenuHasTrait "user9" 1008 == 0			MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rBarter\Container%ruser9%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf		set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "user9" 1008		If cMenu == 2			; Barter Visible!			If GetMenuHasTrait "user7" 1008 == 0				MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rBarter\Container%ruser7%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "				set CheckKeyStates to 0				Return			EndIf			set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "user7" 1008			If cMenu == 2				; Buying!				set cMenu to 1			Else				; Selling!				set cMenu to 2			EndIf		EndIf	EndIf	; CheckKeyStates == 0 on the first pass, unless it is being auto-confirmed by the quantity prompt	; It is otherwise set while the prompt is open, and reset to 0 when done.	; If the prompt is cancelled, CheckKeyStates will be equal to 5.	; Which is fine, since that's what it'd start at anyway.	If CheckKeyStates % 2 == 0		set CheckKeyStates to 5	EndIf	; Auto Keystate Handler, auto-confirms the prompt without any keys needing to be pressed/held. Used when the quantity prompt was auto-confirmed	If CheckKeyStates == 1		; Just pass through, no checks required	; Cautious Keystate Handler, requires the player to press the key instead of allowing it to be held down	; Mainly used when DefaultAction != 0, and the hotkey is held down	ElseIf CheckKeyStates == 3		set bStackPressed to OnKeyDown RightStackKey || OnKeyDown LeftStackKey		set bSinglePressed to OnKeyDown RightSingleKey || OnKeyDown LeftSingleKey	; Normal Keystate Handler, does the work when the Quantity prompt was NOT auto-confirmed.	; Either the prompt didn't appear (to transact a single item), or the prompt was manually confirmed	Else		; Check keystates. Doing it all at once and stashing the results for a frame makes the code cleaner.		; It also improves performance slightly by preventing multiple redundant function calls		; This is redundant, but necessary.  This makes OnKeyDown report as expected if CheckKeyStates changes.		set bStackPressed to OnKeyDown RightStackKey || OnKeyDown LeftStackKey		set bSinglePressed to OnKeyDown RightSingleKey || OnKeyDown LeftSingleKey		set bStackPressed to IsKeyPressed2 RightStackKey || IsKeyPressed2 LeftStackKey		set bSinglePressed to IsKeyPressed2 RightSingleKey || IsKeyPressed2 LeftSingleKey		; This block acts to control the various default actions		If bStackPressed && bSinglePressed && DefaultAction			; If a DefaultAction is in use, and both keys are pressed: Use standard behavior			set CheckKeyStates to 3			Return		ElseIf bStackPressed && DefaultAction == 1			; If the SINGLE DefaultAction is in use, and the STACK keys are pressed: STACK keys override DefaultAction		ElseIf bSinglePressed && DefaultAction == 1			; If the SINGLE DefaultAction is in use, and the SINGLE keys are pressed: Use standard behavior			set CheckKeyStates to 3			Return		ElseIf bStackPressed && DefaultAction == 2			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and the STACK keys are pressed: Use standard behavior			set CheckKeyStates to 3			Return		ElseIf bSinglePressed && DefaultAction == 2			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and the SINGLE keys are pressed: SINGLE keys override DefaultAction		ElseIf DefaultAction == 1			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and NO keys are pressed: Emulate SINGLE keys			set bSinglePressed to 1		ElseIf DefaultAction == 2			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and NO keys are pressed: Emulate STACK keys			set bStackPressed to 1		EndIf	EndIf	If ( bSinglePressed || bStackPressed ) == 0		Return	EndIf	; It isn't possible to directly tell if this is the confirmation screen, hence all the checks.	; I've tried to make it work with non-English setups by using the GameSettings, but haven't tested it.	; If there are any issues, please notify me.	; See if the current message menu was game generated, and a barter screen is active	If GetActiveMenuObject 1001 == 0			; If so, make sure there are only two buttons		If GetMenuHasTrait "background\button_3\visible" 1001 == 0			MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rbackground\button_3\visible%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf		If ( GetMenuFloatValue "background\button_3\visible" 1001 ) == 1			If GetMenuHasTrait "background\button_1\string" 1001 == 0				MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rbackground\button_1\string%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "				set CheckKeyStates to 0				Return			EndIf			set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sYes			set sCheck2 to GetMenuStringValue "background\button_1\string" 1001			; Now see if the two buttons are "Yes" and "No".			If ( sv_Count "%z" sCheck1 sCheck2 ) == 1				If GetMenuHasTrait "background\button_2\string" 1001 == 0					MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rbackground\button_2\string%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "					set CheckKeyStates to 0					Return				EndIf				set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sNo				set sCheck2 to GetMenuStringValue "background\button_2\string" 1001				If ( sv_Count "%z" sCheck1 sCheck2 ) == 1					; At this point, it is known that the message menu was game generated while a barter screen is open, and that there are two buttons "Yes, and "No"					If GetMenuHasTrait "background\message_text\string" 1001						set sCheck2 to GetMenuStringValue "background\message_text\string" 1001					ElseIf GetMenuHasTrait "background\msg_text_rect\message_text\string" 1001		; Compatibility for DarN's UI v1.3.2						set sCheck2 to GetMenuStringValue "background\msg_text_rect\message_text\string" 1001					Else						MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read either menu element!%r%rbackground\message_text\string%rbackground\msg_text_rect\message_text\string%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "						set CheckKeyStates to 0						Return					EndIf					If cMenu == 1						set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sBuy					ElseIf cMenu == 2						set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sSell					Else						set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sConfirmBuySpell					EndIf					; See if the menu text starts with either of these three phrases, "Buy" or "Sell" or "Are you sure you want to buy"					If ( sv_Find "%z" sCheck1 sCheck2 ) == 0						set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sFor						; Lastly, see if the menu text contains "for" and "gold".						If sv_Count "%z" sCheck1 sCheck2							set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sGold							If sv_Count "%z" sCheck1 sCheck2								; Now, assume that this actually is the confirm buy/sell screen								ClickMenuButton "background\button_1" 1001							EndIf						EndIf					ElseIf bAutoGiveAway						set sCheck1 to GetStringGameSetting sGiveAway						If ( sv_Find "%z" sCheck1 sCheck2 ) == 0							; Now, assume that this actually is the confirm Give Away screen							ClickMenuButton "background\button_1" 1001						EndIf					EndIf				EndIf			EndIf		EndIf		set sCheck1 to sv_Destruct		set sCheck2 to sv_Destruct	EndIf	; This prevents this check from running more than once per confirmation screen.	set CheckKeyStates to 0EndBegin MenuMode 1016 ;quantity prompt	; cMenu serves as a temporary variable before it is set.	; cMenu == 1, Inventory is open, use InvXXX hotkeys, and there won't be a confirm screen	; cMenu == 2, Container is open, use XXX hotkeys, and there won't be a confirm screen	; cMenu == 4, Barter is open, use XXX hotkeys, and there will be a confirm screen to bypass	; Any even number (or zero) will trigger the XXX hotkeys.  Any odd number will trigger the InvXXX hotkeys.	set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "user8" 1008	If cMenu == 0		; Barter/Container NOT visible! See if Inventory is open.		If GetMenuHasTrait "user3" 1004 == 0			MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rHUDMain%ruser3%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf		set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "user3" 1004		If cMenu			; Inventory Closed!			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		Else			If GetMenuHasTrait "user4" 1004 == 0				MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rHUDMain%ruser4%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "				set CheckKeyStates to 0				Return			EndIf			set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "user4" 1004			If cMenu == 2				; Inventory Open!				set cMenu to 1			Else				; Inventory Closed!				set CheckKeyStates to 0				Return			EndIf		EndIf	ElseIf cMenu == 2		; Container Visible!		set cMenu to 2	Else ; cMenu == 3		If GetMenuHasTrait "user9" 1008 == 0			MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rBarter\Container%ruser9%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf		set cMenu to GetMenuFloatValue "user9" 1008		If cMenu == 2			; Barter Visible!			set cMenu to 4		EndIf	EndIf	; CheckKeyStates == 0 on the first pass, unless it is being auto-confirmed by the quantity prompt	; It is otherwise set while the prompt is open, and reset to 0 when done.	; If the prompt is cancelled, CheckKeyStates will be equal to 5.	; Which is fine, since that's what it'd start at anyway.	If CheckKeyStates == 0 || CheckKeyStates % 2 == 1		set CheckKeyStates to 6	EndIf	; Auto Keystate Handler, auto-confirms the prompt without any keys needing to be pressed/held. Used when the quantity prompt was auto-confirmed	If CheckKeyStates == 2		; Currently not used	; Cautious Keystate Handler, requires the player to press the key instead of allowing it to be held down	; Mainly used when DefaultAction != 0, and the hotkey is held down	ElseIf CheckKeyStates == 4		If cMenu % 2			set bStackPressed to OnKeyDown InvRightStackKey || OnKeyDown InvLeftStackKey			set bSinglePressed to OnKeyDown InvRightSingleKey || OnKeyDown InvLeftSingleKey		Else			set bStackPressed to OnKeyDown RightStackKey || OnKeyDown LeftStackKey			set bSinglePressed to OnKeyDown RightSingleKey || OnKeyDown LeftSingleKey		EndIf	Else		; Check keystates. Doing it all at once and stashing the results for a frame makes the code cleaner.		; It also improves performance slightly by preventing multiple redundant function calls		; This is redundant, but necessary.  This makes OnKeyDown report as expected if CheckKeyStates changes.		If cMenu % 2			set bStackPressed to OnKeyDown InvLeftStackKey || OnKeyDown InvRightStackKey			set bSinglePressed to OnKeyDown InvLeftSingleKey || OnKeyDown InvRightSingleKey			set bStackPressed to IsKeyPressed2 InvLeftStackKey || IsKeyPressed2 InvRightStackKey			set bSinglePressed to IsKeyPressed2 InvLeftSingleKey || IsKeyPressed2 InvRightSingleKey		Else			set bStackPressed to OnKeyDown RightStackKey || OnKeyDown LeftStackKey			set bSinglePressed to OnKeyDown RightSingleKey || OnKeyDown LeftSingleKey			set bStackPressed to IsKeyPressed2 RightStackKey || IsKeyPressed2 LeftStackKey			set bSinglePressed to IsKeyPressed2 RightSingleKey || IsKeyPressed2 LeftSingleKey		EndIf		; This block acts to control the various default actions		If bStackPressed && bSinglePressed && DefaultAction			; If a DefaultAction is in use, and both keys are pressed: Use standard behavior			set CheckKeyStates to 4			Return		ElseIf bStackPressed && DefaultAction == 1			; If the SINGLE DefaultAction is in use, and the STACK keys are pressed: STACK keys override DefaultAction		ElseIf bSinglePressed && DefaultAction == 1			; If the SINGLE DefaultAction is in use, and the SINGLE keys are pressed: Use standard behavior			set CheckKeyStates to 4			Return		ElseIf bStackPressed && DefaultAction == 2			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and the STACK keys are pressed: Use standard behavior			set CheckKeyStates to 4			Return		ElseIf bSinglePressed && DefaultAction == 2			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and the SINGLE keys are pressed: SINGLE keys override DefaultAction		ElseIf DefaultAction == 1			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and NO keys are pressed: Emulate SINGLE keys			set bSinglePressed to 1		ElseIf DefaultAction == 2			; If the STACK DefaultAction is in use, and NO keys are pressed: Emulate STACK keys			set bStackPressed to 1		EndIf	EndIf	; If NO keys are pressed (or emulated): Wait for input	If ( bSinglePressed || bStackPressed ) == 0		Return	EndIf	; If the SINGLE hotkeys ARE pressed: Confirm ONE item.	If bSinglePressed		If GetMenuHasTrait "quantity_background\quantity_scroll\user7" 1016 == 0			MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't write to a menu element!%r%rquantity_background\quantity_scroll\user7%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf		SetMenuFloatValue "quantity_background\quantity_scroll\user7" 1016 1	; If the STACK hotkeys ARE pressed: Confirm ALL items.	ElseIf bStackPressed		; The player may have changed the amount on his own, so the max value DOES have to be read and used.		If GetMenuHasTrait "quantity_background\quantity_scroll\user2" 1016 == 0			MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't read a menu element!%r%rquantity_background\quantity_scroll\user2%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf		set promptAmount to GetMenuFloatValue "quantity_background\quantity_scroll\user2" 1016	;Max		If GetMenuHasTrait "quantity_background\quantity_scroll\user7" 1016 == 0			MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't write to a menu element!%r%rquantity_background\quantity_scroll\user7%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "			set CheckKeyStates to 0			Return		EndIf		SetMenuFloatValue "quantity_background\quantity_scroll\user7" 1016 promptAmount	EndIf	; If this was from the barter screen, then auto-confirm the upcoming confirm screen	; Otherwise, don't auto-confirm anything that happens to appear.	If cMenu == 4		set CheckKeyStates to 1	Else		set CheckKeyStates to 0	EndIf	; One of the hotkeys were pressed, so auto-confirm the prompt.	If GetMenuHasTrait "quantity_background\quantity_button_okay\id" 1016 == 0		MessageBoxEX "Error: TQP couldn't find a menu element!%r%rquantity_background\quantity_button_okay%r%rPlease report this error, along with any UI mods in use|     Okay     "		set CheckKeyStates to 0		Return	EndIf	ClickMenuButton "quantity_background\quantity_button_okay" 1016	ReturnEnd

Saiden please release!

Or I'm gonna have to figure out all that you said.

As reported in the other thread I got QZ Easy Menus to work (after renaming the master) and it too has A takes all like in fallout3.

I'm beginning to see that combat overhauls would probably port, not sure I want to mess with them yet - although I got say taking 5 arrows to kill a goblin or 6 swipes with a dagger to kill a little rat is getting old already.

And as for magic there seems more to the magic system that has yet to be unlocked - levels of magic and specific training. Apparently not all NPCs have magic either, so an overhaul might really mess with things.

Is there anyway to determine if OBSE is in fact up and running when I have it installed? Like a console command or something?

Thank you!! That works like a charm. No more "How many"!!! :celebration:

@Psymon, here's what I did:

1. In CS, don't select any master files.
2. Go to scripts, paste script into box and select "quest" on the drop-down for type.
3. Go to quests, right-click to make new, name it something.
4. In the script drop-down, select the script you just pasted.
5. Put a checkmark beside "start game enabled" if it isn't already there.

Hope this helps.

Uggh.

OK so my comments to what happen when trying to follow directions in red.
1. In CS, don't select any master files. OK
2. Go to scripts, paste script into box and select "quest" on the drop-down for type. Done, but don't I need to save the script or something? When i try to save via the menu I get this error:
Script '1SSQSMenuManagement', line 31
Script command "String_Var" not found.

continue running Yes or No
3. Go to quests, right-click to make new, name it something. OK Done
4. In the script drop-down, select the script you just pasted. Where is the script drop down in the quest panel?
5. Put a checkmark beside "start game enabled" if it isn't already there. Not there yet

moderately epic fail.

[edit] then I'm sorry but what did you mean http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116073-release-nehrim-at-fates-edge-english-version/page__view__findpost__p__16390673 about your conclusions regarding Wrye Bash?

[edit] Saiden when you installed Darn - did it replace the main menu screen too? I don't want to lose that.

You need to run the CS via OBSE when editing scripts/mods with OBSE functions.

How? I remember trying to do that before but failing somehow.

http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/Category:Oblivion_Script_Extender:

Just like before trying to create a shortcut for the obse loader with the -editor at the end does not work.

Looking at the picture in the link I see the targt has a quote around it then the -editor ... but when i add those and click apply they do not stick the next time I look at the properties of the shortcut and on launch the CS crashes immediately.

Maybe the quotes thing or something else is different for Vista?

Anyone else have suggestions?