How many Cohorts does the Legion have, and how many Battalio : Fallout: New Vegas

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:21 am

So I'm thinking of the Battle for Hoover Dam, and got to think of How many Cohorts does Caesar command? I know the ACTUAL battle we play in for Hoover Dam maybe on a very small scale to the entire actual battle playing out all around us...

So that got me to think, How many Battalions were stationed in New Vegas at the highest tension of the fighting? Then I wonder... How many Cohorts did Caesar and Lanius command?

For someone who may not know, a Cohort consists of...

Each centurion leads a centuria of 80 men (which includes 8 to 16 officers). A group of 8 centurions leads a cohort of 480 men (the largest military unit in the Legion).

Then a Battalion for Arguments sake consists of 300-1,200 Soldiers, but were going to say... 450-500 to balance out the Cohort...

Does anyone know an ACTUAL Number of Cohorts, Battalions, Reserve Troops, Retreating Units the Battle actually had? Or the Number of Cohorts Caesar himself commands westward and eastward?

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:10 pm

This is something that I posted a while ago, and I still hold that it's pretty accurate:

Also, it might be worth noting that if you count all of the tents at The Fort, Legate's Camp, and the distant camp that can be viewed from The Fort (it's just a bunch of tents to the east of where Dale Barton stands), it seems that they represent about 1600-2000 men. I don't know if that is the actual number that is supposed to be the canon "number of Legion troops sent to the battle" or not, but it seems likely that it is considering a few in-game clues. First, there are the "background" tents themselves, which, despite being background scenery, were definitely placed with care since there are 80 tents exactly (at least that's what I counted) and there are exactly 8 larger "commander's" tents. This makes perfect sense when you consider that every 10 tents represent ~80-100 people, or in other words, one centuria. Do you see where I'm going with this? There are 8 commander's tents because there are 8 Centurions encamped there, each one in charge of his centuria. Add together all of the tents at The Fort and Legate's camp, and you get ~another 80 tents.That, to me at least, seems to be a hint from the devs as to exactly how many troops the Legion sent to Hoover Dam II.

The other clue is the memorial in Boulder City, which states that "over one hundred" NCR troops died at Hoover Dam I, showing that the two armies didn't send a whole lot of people out to fight at the Dam. If you count the names on the back of the memorial, you get about 108, so even if the NCR only fielded 1000 troops at the Dam that day, that would still only be a 10.8% fatality rate. I think that makes 1500 the absolute maximum for the number of NCR troops (same goes for the Legion) at the First Battle of HD, especially when you consider that the intro says, "the NCR held the Dam, but just barely" or something to that effect. So that means that it is perfectly reasonable that the Legion and NCR would each field ~2000 soldiers at Hoover Dam II.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:52 am

I think NCR's number, relative to their entire army, would be smaller than the Legion's (So NCR may be using 5% of their army while the Legion uses 10-15%). The war has become really unpopular in California and they just pick up people and throw them into the Mojave. Where the Legion is determined to take the dam so they use more adept legionaires.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:56 pm

So the Legion had 4-6 Cohorts.. I will have to go to the fort again to look around, and it would make sense that for every 8 tents there is 1 Large tent for a Centurion when infact Ancient Romans a Centurion was in Charge of 83 Men...

I wonder how many Men the Khans sent for either NCR/Legion Assistance, or the ammount of Paladins/Knights sent from Hidden Valley to assist with the NCR, or how many Bombing runs the Boomers actually made, and if the Enclave Remnants got involved how many of them killed...

I'm begining to think that the Brotherhoods Assistance with the NCR at Hoover Dam is Canon though, it's the only Faction to ONLY help 1 Side, the Khans can Help with Caesar or NCR or.. Leave all together, and the mere presence of the brotherhood helps to NCR advantage consiterably, and with the Fact that a NCR "Heavy Trooper" their Salvaged power armor weighs them down so much how effective could they actually be in a very Fast mobile Battle.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:01 am

I wonder how many Men the Khans sent for either NCR/Legion Assistance, or the ammount of Paladins/Knights sent from Hidden Valley to assist with the NCR, or how many Bombing runs the Boomers actually made, and if the Enclave Remnants got involved how many of them killed...

The Great Kahns are quite a large faction, with a big settlement at Red Rock Canyon, and probably quite a few more smaller settlements scattered around the Mojave, so they would be able to assist quite well. I can't imagine the Brotherhood sending out large numbers of Paladins; assuming their bunker is their only settlement, they can't send more than 10, 20 men and women. Besides, the Battle at Hoover Dam could mean the end of the Brotherhood in the Mojave, since such a large percentage of them could be wiped out. The Boomers are only seen doing one run, but since they have such an immense arsenal, I can't imagine how they wouldn't do more runs. They also have the Howitzers, perhaps they could assist with those too. I think the Enclave Remnants want to stay out of this, since they have even smaller numbers than the Brotherhood of Steel.