How do I 'merge mods'? : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:04 am

Probably another topic about this, but I have no clue where it is..

Anyways, for example: I have Capucines Colorable Beast Hair + Eyes and Robert's Male Body Installed(Can't remember which). I have both of them enabled, but when I go into the game, Capucines Colorable Beast Hair + Eyes is not there. I have to disable the mod for Robert's Male Body in order for Capucines Colorable Beast Hair + eyes to work.

If I'm not mistaken, it's called merging. Is there any way to merge these mods? ^_^

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:45 am

Have you rebuilt your bashed patch to include them? That's the best way to get cosmetic mods to play nice together.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:41 pm

Have you rebuilt your bashed patch to include them? That's the best way to get cosmetic mods to play nice together.

I don't know what that means.. ^_^

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:57 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1185023-relz-wrye-bash-thread-65/ A mod management tool, and so much more. If you're going to experiment with mods, it's best to understand the tools that make it easy.

On another note, have you tried Capucine's http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3934 of that mod?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:55 am

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1185023-relz-wrye-bash-thread-65/ A mod management tool, and so much more. If you're going to experiment with mods, it's best to understand the tools that make it easy.

On another note, have you tried Capucine's http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3934 of that mod?

Okay, Wrye Bash sounds familiar, but I wasn't sure what it was. It sounded a little complicated for me so I didn't really check into it much. If it's recommended though, I will

Actually, no. I haven't. I didn't know that Capucine did an updated version ^_^

Going to check them out..

EDIT: Okay, I downloaded Wrye Bash ^_^ But I don't know how to do the Bashed Patches thingy..

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:40 pm

Read http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1123302-wip-wrye-bash-pictorial-guide-for-newbies/page__p__16516894__fromsearch__1#entry16516894.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:35 am

Okay, I read through everything and did what it told

Not sure if I have to have the 'Bashed Patch' file thing enabled, though..

The box is red and it says that one or more masters are missing(Missing Dread Knight Armor Addon.esp DELINQUENT Dread Knight Armor.esp). When Bashed Patch is enabled, I start Oblivion but it goes back to the desktop.

Any way to fix this? ^_^

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:43 am

Yes, the delinquent master error message is telling you that you are either 1) missing files, or 2) your load order is out of order.

First of all use http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516 to sort your load order. You can launch it from within Wrye Bash. Then rebuild your patch again.
If you still have issues, post your load order here so we can give better advice. (In Bash, in the Mods tab, right click on the header File, go to List Mods, copy/paste everything here)

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:30 am

If your going to mod your game it's best to know the utilities your going to need.
Run your load order through BOSS and address the issues it highlights.
You'll undoubtedly require other utilities like OBSE, TES4edit, TES4Lod, OBMM etc.
Search for them on TESNexus.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:38 am

Here be the load order

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]02  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp04  P1DseeYouSleep.esp05  Shield on Back 3.1.esp06  FormID Finder4.esp07  DLCHorseArmor.esp08  DLCOrrery.esp09  DLCVileLair.esp0A  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp0B  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp0C  DLCSpellTomes.esp0D  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp0E  Dread Knight Armor Addon.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Dread Knight Armor.esp0F  Dread Knight Armor.esp10  ercGigerBattleclaws_EV.esp11  Kikai & Slof Clothing.esp12  Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp13  Morrigan Armor Set v1_0.esp14  New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp15  RDAyleidArmour.esp16  Running4Cover's Welkynd Armors - Free.esp17  Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp18  Slof's Amazon Armour.esp19  Slof's & Orc's Armours.esp1A  Slof's Giger Armour.esp1B  Slof's Male Clothing.esp1C  Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp1D  Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.esp  [Version 1.0]1E  LichGear.esp1F  DLCThievesDen.esp20  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]21  CurseOfHircine.esp22  AlchemistsCave.esp23  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]24  CastleWestWeald.esp25  MistyHideout.esp26  SilentStonesCamp.esp27  Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp28  UnfathomedTower.esp29  DLCFrostcrag.esp2A  Knights.esp2B  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]2C  unnatural_aura_by_trollf.esp2D  SamVimes's Feint Death.esp2E  actors_in_charge.esp2F  ActorsInMadness.esp30  ActorsInEmotions.esp31  Chain it!.esp32  Capucines Character Expansion.esp33  cidnothump.esp34  TTSlyArmor.esp35  Capucine'sColourableBeastHair+Eyes.esp36  Thadon and Syls Clothing.esp37  Ice Morrigan Armor.esp38  Lich King's Helm v1_1.esp39  Ragdoll Camera.esp

Not sure if I should include what the BOSS thingy said, but I will anyway just to be on the safe side..

Spoiler

Masterlist Update masterlist.txt is already at the latest version. Update skipped.Special Mod Detection FCOM not detected.OOO not detected.Better Cities not detected.Recognised And Re-ordered Mod Files Oblivion.esm ?Note: Masterlist Revision: 2649Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35] ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Relev}}Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1] DLCShiveringIsles.esp ?Note: For russian version GOTY please move this esp before Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp (for UOP quest fixes).P1DseeYouSleep.esp ?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"Shield on Back 3.1.esp ?Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version.FormID Finder4.esp DLCHorseArmor.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Scripts}}?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"DLCOrrery.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages}}?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"DLCVileLair.esp ?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp ?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"DLCSpellTomes.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Relev}}?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Body-M}}Dread Knight Armor Addon.esp Dread Knight Armor.esp ercGigerBattleclaws_EV.esp Kikai & Slof Clothing.esp [Version 4] Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp Morrigan Armor Set v1_0.esp New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp ?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"RDAyleidArmour.esp Running4Cover's Welkynd Armors - Free.esp Running4Cover's Welkynd Armors - For Sale.esp Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp ?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"Slof's Amazon Armour.esp Slof's & Orc's Armours.esp Slof's Giger Armour.esp Slof's Male Clothing.esp Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.esp [Version 1.0] LichGear.esp [Version 2] AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp AT2 02-Shiki Armor Set.esp DLCThievesDen.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Name, C.Light, Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.Stats}}?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"P1DseeYouSleep - VVAdvanced.esp ArmamentariumLL.esp [Version 1.35] ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35] ?Note: Can be used with either 'ArmamentariumLL.esp' or 'ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp'.ArmamentariumLLmagic.esp [Version 1.35] ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35] ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp [Version 1.35] ?Note: Do not use with ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp or ArmamentariumLLVendors.espCurseOfHircine.esp ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01] ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35] AlchemistsCave.esp [Version 1.1] Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1] ?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0] CastleWestWeald.esp [Version 0.8] MistyHideout.esp [Version 1.0] SilentStonesCamp.esp [Version 1.2] Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp UnfathomedTower.esp [Version 1.0] DLCFrostcrag.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Name, C.Owner, Factions}}?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"Knights.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages, Factions}}?Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0] Axebane_RealHunger25.esp [Version 2.5] ?Note: Realistic hunger mods and vampire mods may conflict seriously.RealHunger.esp ?Note: Realistic hunger mods and vampire mods may conflict seriously.unnatural_aura_by_trollf.esp [Version 1.1] cidnothumpMMversion.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Sound}}SamVimes's Feint Death.esp CTAddPose_v_1.esp CTAddPose_Gaff_01.esp CTAddPose_Gaff_02.esp CTAddPose SPB 02.esp actors_in_charge.esp [Version 0.8] ActorsInMadness.esp [Version 0.8] ActorsInEmotions.esp [Version 1.0] Chain it!.esp CT-Argonian Headstyles.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics, Hair}}CT-Argonian Headstyles-EE.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics, Hair, Eyes}}CT-Argonian Headstyles-MM.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics, Hair, Eyes}}CT-Argonian Headstyles-EE+MM.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics, Hair, Eyes}}Capucines Character Expansion.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:NpcFaces, Hair, Eyes, Graphics}}Capucines Character Expansion - No NPC Change.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Hair, Eyes, Graphics}}cidnothump.esp ?Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Sound}}?Note: If using Mighty Magic, use 'cidnothumpMMversion.esp' instead.HTS.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp [Version 5/6/2011 3:02:21 PM] Unrecogised Mod FilesReorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.Unknown mod file: ArgonianBeautyPack.esm Unknown mod file: TTSlyArmor.esp Unknown mod file: HTS-WithMessages.esp Unknown mod file: Capucine'sColourableBeastHair.esp Unknown mod file: Capucine'sColourableBeastHair+Eyes.esp Unknown mod file: Thadon and Syls Clothing.esp Unknown mod file: Ice Morrigan Armor.esp Unknown mod file: Lich King's Helm v1_1.esp Unknown mod file: Ragdoll Camera.esp Unknown mod file: ercGigerBattleclaws_DV.esp Unknown mod file: Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.SoB.esp Unknown mod file: New Mod.esp Done.

No clue what the different colored text is, but..

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:31 pm

0E Dread Knight Armor Addon.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Dread Knight Armor.esp

What this means is that the "Dread Knight Armor.esp" is needed for the "Dread Knight Armor Addon.esp" to work. You need to download and install that mod before you can play, else uninstall "Dread Knight Armor Addon.esp" to prevent crashing.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:54 pm

Ok, still not quite right. One step at a time.

0E Dread Knight Armor Addon.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Dread Knight Armor.esp
0F Dread Knight Armor.esp
These are definitely wrong, and if BOSS did that, it should be reported in the BOSS thread. For now, you can highlight Dread Knight Armor.esp in the Mods tab of Bash, and use CTRL + Up Arrow to move it up in the order, so it's before the Addon.esp.

32 Capucines Character Expansion.esp
35 Capucine'sColourableBeastHair+Eyes.esp
You don't need both. The Expansion incorporates the BeastHair+Eyes, so you can remove that one from your order.

Once the Dread Knight Armor.esp is fixed, rebuild your bashed patch again. Don't run BOSS again though. If you've built your bashed patch correctly you should see several of the mods turn to green text and the check marks turn to + signs. This is a good thing. And yes, when finished the bashed patch should always be activated.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:09 pm

After fiddling around with it some more, Bashed files has now turned green, yay!!

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:00 am

And also...

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230
The helpful genius Alt3rnity made these.
These help make Wrye Bash a breeze to use.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:12 am

Fribble, now the game keeps crashing..

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:08 am

There could be many causes for crashes. You should download Unofficial Oblivion Patch (UOP), its supplementals, and Unofficial Official Mod Patches (UOMP) to bring some stability to the game. Ans possibly get Oblivion Stutter Remover.

You know what? It seems you are good at reading. You really should read this http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=intro_to_mods to get the best practices and avoid a frustrating modblivion experience. Read the other sections, specific to what you are looking for, but really read the newcomer's guide.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:31 pm

There could be many causes for crashes. You should download Unofficial Oblivion Patch (UOP), its supplementals, and Unofficial Official Mod Patches (UOMP) to bring some stability to the game. Ans possibly get Oblivion Stutter Remover.

You know what? It seems you are good at reading. You really should read this http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=intro_to_mods to get the best practices and avoid a frustrating modblivion experience. Read the other sections, specific to what you are looking for, but really read the newcomer's guide.

I've tried reading through the guide, but I haven't really found anything that could help me in fixing the problem with the Bashed Patch causing the game to crash when loading a saved game(Or starting a new one). I've also downloaded the UOP and UOMP, but the problem still persists. I'm able to play the game with the Bashed Patch file disabled, though. Just not sure how to fix it so that it doesn't crash.. :unsure:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:46 am

Ok, that's an indication that there is something wrong in the Bashed patch. Probably one of the most difficult things for others to troubleshoot for you, as only you can see it.

Some tips;

1) Don't check every category and assume it'll work - it won't. Go through each category on the left side slowly. If there are any of your mods listed in the right hand side, then check them and check the left side category.
2) Everything in Merge Patches should be checked.
3) Typically everything in the Import categories should be checked.
4) If there's no mods listed on the right side when you click on a category, then don't check it!
5) Any of the Tweak categories are optional. Since this is your first time, I'd suggest NOT checking anything here.
6) Cobl Catalogues and Cobl Exhaustion are only if you use Cobl.
7) If there's anything listed under Leveled Lists, check that category.
8) If you have any race mods or body replacers they'll be listed under Race Records, so check that if there is.
9) DO NOT check Replace Form ID's.

The Wrye Bash Pictorial Guide linked several posts up is an easy to follow guide for first-timers. Have you looked through that?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:36 am

Which version of Wrye Bash are you using? You should be using v291.

Try these steps...

Run BOSS
Manually adjust the load order of any mods not recognised by BOSS - I noticed in your BOSS listing above that there were quite a few mods that were not recognised.
Select all mods (Ctrl-A), right-click and select Mark Mergeable
Now rebuild your bashed patch - use only Merge Patches and the Import xxx, with the exception of Import Names.
Exit Wrye Bash and try your game.
If it still crashes, use Wrye Bash to list your mods and post the version that shows the bashed patch in the list (it should also show us what is being merged and imported)

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:45 am

I've tried reading through the guide, but I haven't really found anything that could help me in fixing the problem with the Bashed Patch causing the game to crash when loading a saved game(Or starting a new one). I've also downloaded the UOP and UOMP, but the problem still persists. I'm able to play the game with the Bashed Patch file disabled, though. Just not sure how to fix it so that it doesn't crash.. :unsure:

If so, then you missed the most important part of Alt3rn1ty's Guide: BASICS 6 This advises you on the Imports and Tweaks you should include in the patch. Because you are having such trouble, start with the few he lists as "Always Select". If that works, go back and include the ones he "Recommends."

If you are missing Masters or other major errors, Bash should complain while compiling.

I am also surprised that none of your mods require OBlivion Script Extender (OBSE.) You should also consider installing Common OBLivion (COBL.)

Which version of Wrye Bash are you using? You should be using v291.
Select all mods (Ctrl-A), right-click and select Mark Mergeable

My understanding is that this is unnecessary in the latest version—at least mine does this for me automagically. Basically you get a dialog that says which mods are Mergable and asks permission to unselect them and Merge.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:37 am

My understanding is that this is unnecessary in the latest version—at least mine does this for me automagically. Basically you get a dialog that says which mods are Mergable and asks permission to unselect them and Merge.

If you are using v291 or earlier, then you still need to do this - there are occassions when they are not automatically identified, so it is best to do this before building a bashed patch