i am talking about to play a character that will not steal from(and will not kill) men and or mer(including generic NPCs), will not use magic or magic items or alchemy. i guess warrior-only type of character with added stipulation of not killing unless have to(like in defense again creatures... and i am iffy on vampires and werewolves and such). also, rule out shady deals, bribes, sabotage, etc.

how much potential is there for such a character? like, how far in the MQs can he or she get if they do MQs at all, or other quest line(s)? how well off can such a character get in terms of money, reputation and so on? things like that.

did some quick brainstorming, and here is what i have so far.

morals: making him or her a follower of any of the Tamrie's religions and its morals seem like a shaky ground(some reasons being each will have "justification" for killing and maybe stealing?"), so make him or her an atheist of sorts or agnostic?

weapons and armor: keeping to no magic spipulation(including enchanted items), the best is... Ebony? but if Ebony is the blood of the gods, then thats sort of like magic and or sacrilege and or desecration so after Ebony next best is what, Glass or Silver, right?

quests: i am thinking at least some misc quest will fit this no problem? how much, approximately, of any given faction's quest will fit this? this obviously leaves Redoran as the only choice for the Great House if he or she is to choose one, as Hlaalu and Telvanni each is your poster child for aforementioned "to avoid" behaviors. although off the top of my head, even the very first Redoran quest in Ald-Ruhn is about deception of sorts, so kind of leaves me wondering if even Redoran will fit this?

money: biggest problem after morals, me thinks. i mean, killing just get to their wealth is out of the question even with "he attacked first" excuse that Taunt offers. bounty hunter quest that potentially might offer some compensation is a shaky ground because no killing rule. enchanting-conjuration abuse is out of the question too because no magic thing. looting bandit hideouts is stealing, i think, since that's their items, and killing them just for the chance to have those items owner-less is shady practice. looting Dwemer ruins is illegal, i think(lore wise, since its illegal to remove much less trade with Dwemer artifacts, as far as i remember), right? looting burial sights is stealing from the family's tombs. looting Daedra temples is stealing and or sacrilege and or desecration. looting from dead will not happen too often(no killing thing). so that leaves what, plundering the Sixth House bases full of Sixth House creatures? i guess there is creative, painstaking bartering? gathering plants ingredients and selling them to merchants? what else? i am missing something, or is alchemy the only skill that can be used to make money by making something and then selling it?

eh, what else?

You need to use *some* magic items for the MQ, so if your character flat out absolutely refuses to touch them under any circumstances then you'll be stuck. You also need to kill a few people.

You'll be able to do many of the early Imperial Cult and Temple quests, but some involve alchemy of some kind too, though you yourself will never have to drink a potion. There are also quests that involve killing enemies of the church.

There are numerous unaffiliated quests to be found dotted around Vvardenfell, some are peaceful like escorting pilgrims or carrying a message and such.



Pearl-diving will get you enough cash early on to buy Steel gear. The oysters don't care if you 'steal' from them.

There are old, abandoned shipwrecks along the coasts. Salvage from those is fair game.

Soldier on until you're around level 20ish, then hunt Golden Saints and Dremora. They can't technically be 'killed', only banished, and they often carry valuable items.

and in the end, all the hard work of fighting off annoying creatures and head aches of how to keep the escorted alive, the reward is 300 coins... at best. but then again, what can be expected from lower class population.

hm, didn't think about the shipwrecks, good point. i guess since they were abandoned, they are not really anyone's after all. and i did think about the abandoned shack as potential base, aside from Caius' place. speaking of housing... Cosades' place, abandoned shack... what else is there to use aside from Vacant Manor in Mournhold and that Vivec apartment? and while abandoned, true, wouldn't they be part of city property or something?

pearl diving; tried it before, slow to profits(and dangerous) affair if don't have water breathing potions or spell.

this is all theoretical, btw, as i doubt i'll be buying the game all over again and installing it and playing it. but i am exploring whether or not such a character would have much of chance to be anything decent of a play-through, for anyone.

It is! I mean, I play a Temple guy, a do-gooder who cares about others more than himself. And still he gets just the money he needs from quests and by looking around, without stealing from anyone or killing. And if he doesn't, well, maybe it wasn't meant to happen. Then he'll svck. Which makes playing even more interesting for a change. He has his magic with him though, unlike your character... He has managed to keep his Long Blades in a form though, and he uses them a lot as well (against creatures and such).

Caves, Velothi towers and Fortresses.

This depends a lot on the exact place and what mods you run. Some of these places have respawning rats, a minor nuisance. Some respawn Daedra, potentially dangerous. If you run MCA then arriving home at your former bandit-lair residence can be a pretty lively affair when the newly-spawned MCA bandits are all falling over each other trying to welcome you.



Maybe you're doing it in the wrong places, the Ascadian Isle lakes are the best bet. A stroll from one end of the region to the other should net at least a half-dozen pearls. It'll never make you a millionaire but it will buy decent starting equipment.

Sounds impossible, but you might enjoy it. Good luck!

ehem, i repeat:

so...

i expected as much, a do-gooder to get by and to be playable and somewhat fun... but take away magic items and magic and it gets a lot harder. this was partly what got me wondering.

ironically, if i remember right, Ascadian Isles or somewhere near was about where i first tried to pearl dive; it was one of the first regions i really went exploring and experimenting while exploring there. must have been doing something wrong then, i guess.

ok, i do have to admit, i did ponder the idea of getting the game again and giving it a go again, so i was not completely honest with you guys, sorry. that's why i started the topic... tried telling myself that its maybe so someone else may try this so the topic would be useful to them or whatever, but that's just something i tried to tell myself to put my conscience at ease(i promised not to get back to Morrowind, so this attempt kind of left me guilty).

in any case, maybe its best if this topic is left to die forgotten. or moderators can delete it.

What would you think about taking the house of that guy who sells you the ring and moves out of sedya neen and leaves his house behind?
Or since it's locked, and you would have to lockpick it, would that be shady?

As for money, I remember getting over 70 pearls just pearl diving in and around sedya neen and the surrounding isles. Mushrooms, while heavy, add up eventually, and coda flowers are 23 gold a piece. Hunting our old friends cliff racers isn't bad cash as since there is an absolutely UNLIMITED supply of them, there's an unlimited supply of plumes.
Good luck.

Edit: if you can find them, hack-lo are 30 gold a piece, and there are numerous leaves a plant.
Cord bulb roots and gold kanets are common in the wild and worth 5 gold each. Trama rout is extremely common in the moutains and 10 gold a pop.
If you can manage to slay them, dreugh wax is an AMAZING supply of gold added on top of the pearls you collect. And since they attack you while you search for pearls, it's self defense.
What about that abondoned ebony mine? the hassur drinit or something? on the path from balmora to pelagaid.
Lots of ebony in there and an ataroch for salts. I almost forgot, shalks are in there too, with 50 gold a shalk resin.
Lastly, if you decide to kill vampires, 500 gold a dust, sometimes they drop gems of sorts such as diamonds too. Enough said there.

Double edit- I forgot. All ebony is claimed under the septim crown according to lore. While the ebony would be stealing, the antaroch, rats, and shalk are still free game, I guess.

I don't know. If he abandoned it, its still technically his, i think. so yeah, i'd avoid it.

do vendors actually pay 500 gold for each? i think they pay you less than the market value, no? in any case, i'd avoid killing the vamps and 'wolves(everyone deserves a second chance type a thing, you know; maybe if left alive they'll get cured or something, eventually).

Nah, they pay you around 330 I believe depending on their mercantile, and yours.
But since you won't kill them, I'd stick with dreugh I guess.
Would egg mines be stealing if they're unclaimed? While heavy, they add up.

i don't know, its an iffy one; even if abandoned or unclaimed, i am still unsure. i'd not, but that's me. i don't know.

And another thread that makes me think of doing Morrowind again.

Morrowind has never been uninstalled on my computer. I like to fire it up once in a while just to hear the music.


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don't start now, it would just make me guilty for planting ideas in your head

though i should have thought of that before starting the topic, as this is easily predicted effect.