How much THU'UM is to much?

Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:19 am

Hello to all this is loosely affiliated with the other thread similarly named."how many dragon's are too many"

I can't remember for the life of me who stated as such maybe Todd? but it WAS said that others would be able to use the language/shouts as well as the PC which to me is slightly worrying because it takes away some of that (IM SPECIAL) feeling being the dovahkiin brings with it if everyone one else can do what i can do. i understand the greybeards being able to do it two. but think anyone other then them is to much i mean hell a dragon born hasn't been seen/heard of for over 200 years so why now would there suddenly be individuals/groups of people with the same abilites your thoughts would you like to run in to rare NPC's with the same abilities as you maybe even different one's to you? or do you want to feel unique like me lol.

P.S im sure BETHESDA will do everything perfectly well i was just interested in others opinions on the subject please excuse my spelling grammar and punctuation


I'm fairly certain that you and the greybeards are the only humanoids who can use dragon shouts. However I also seem to recall hearing that dragons can use a form of 'magic' to fight you, which is essentially dragons using dragon shouts.

I think this is perfect. It makes me feel even more special. If I was the only person who could use dragon shouts, that'd be cool. However dragons use em too, so now I'm not only the only person who can use em, but I'm also in a way a DRAGON'S equal! I feel epic. :D
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:37 pm

Dragon and and Dragonborn are the only ones allowed to use Dragon shouts ( hence the name), any guy who studies the voice can use that though

My friend who works for beth though was telling me about a lot about the Dragonshouts. TBH I thought the shouts were silly at first... really? your going to yell at people? You dont sound like a bada** warrior if you just yell at a guy. But then my friend told me some of the Dragon Shouts ( I know im going to be told im a liar for this but what ever believe me or not I dont care, I know a lot of dragon shouts. As we all you must say three words to use a dragon shout, my friend didnt remeber all the words but he knows what they do. (I could be wrong on the words, I do not remember them all)

1. Fo-ra-sho: Push back enemies
2. Mo-ken-to: Slow down time
3. ????????: call a dragon to your aid (only possible after you beat MQ)
4. Hark-ren-raw (or somthing like that): for 5 seconds be immune to physical damage
5. ???????: heal your self and allies around you
6. Mos-deaf-re: weaken enemies
7. ????: flaming weapon

Then my friend talked about a very very very powerful Dragon shout. you must kill each dragon in the game and find each of the three words hidden in very hard to reach places it is.....
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fIQeRvM3Rk[/media]
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:57 pm

Anyone worried that the actual shouting part of dragonshouts is going to be annoying?
In the game trailer, the dragonshout was the most obnoxious part (for me) and really killed the feeling. I have a feeling I'll be playing with a mod to remove the actual "shout"
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:07 pm

According too the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thu%27um on Thu'um on the UESP site dragon shouts are slightly different part of the Thu'um that only a Dovahkiin can do. I don't know if that is correct or not.


That's what I been sayin..
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:57 pm

No in that I would rather shouts be more like a power in that they have a certain amount of time before you can use again.....I just dont like hearing the same thing over and over anytime I wanna use a cool spell as long as shouts arent like this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMciofkM1c
as I dont personally wanna hear the same line repeated over and over just because the shout is useful/fun but whatever....


Shouts are confirmed to have a cooldown time.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:55 pm

I'm pretty sure no one else will be able to absorb the souls of the dragons they kill, that is, if anyone else can kill a dragon. I'd think that's makes you pretty special.


Agreed.. you are the ONLY Dragonborn seen in 200 years.. so now you were not the only one, but the last KNOWN now.. greybeards are NOT dragonborn.. they do not absorb dragon souls.. they.. OH and that imperial shout college was in the 1st Age.. What age is it now? 3rd or 4th? That was a LONG time ago.. things that were common then are not so common in the time that Skyrim takes place of..
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:09 am

Anyone worried that the actual shouting part of dragonshouts is going to be annoying?
In the game trailer, the dragonshout was the most obnoxious part (for me) and really killed the feeling. I have a feeling I'll be playing with a mod to remove the actual "shout"


A cooldown has been conformed.. so its not something you spam out 1000 times..
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:10 pm

A cooldown has been conformed.. so its not something you spam out 1000 times..


But greater powers you only had one of. Dragon shouts look more powerful... and 21 of them? If they're on individual timers, that seems far too much.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:44 pm

"dragon shouts" and thu'um are more or less the same thing. the only difference is that as a dragonborn you don't need years and years of practice to pull them off on the level of the Greybeards, who have spent their entire lives learning this [censored] and getting it down to an art form.

thu'um as a basic discipline doesn't seem especially uncommon. the empire established the Imperial College of the Voice in Markarth back in the first era, and while i'm hesitant to believe that there are many graduates of the college with any real MASTERY of thu'um there's still probably some people walking around able to shout FUS RO DAH and knock a dude over.

we don't know enough about thu'um to go THIS BREAKS LORE because it's only gotten passing mentions in books up until this point. we know thu'um is related to Kyne, and there's a pretty good chance dragons are related to Kyne, so.


Ok...well i dont remember saying anything about it breaking lore.

i'm liking the discussion going on in this thread but also what i meant to add was although i know thu'um isnt very common how much would you like to run into a enemy with the ability to use it and under what circumstance I.E should there be a set number of NPC's who can use it in the game( once killed they don't respawn) which you can run into randomly during the game? or would you prefer that thereis a numeber of NPC's with the ability use thu'um that once killed a new one spawns somewhere on the map which you can also run into randomly.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:22 pm

Hello to all this is loosely affiliated with the other thread similarly named."how many dragon's are too many"

I can't remember for the life of me who stated as such maybe Todd? but it WAS said that others would be able to use the language/shouts as well as the PC which to me is slightly worrying because it takes away some of that (IM SPECIAL) feeling being the dovahkiin brings with it if everyone one else can do what i can do. i understand the greybeards being able to do it two. but think anyone other then them is to much i mean hell a dragon born hasn't been seen/heard of for over 200 years so why now would there suddenly be individuals/groups of people with the same abilites your thoughts would you like to run in to rare NPC's with the same abilities as you maybe even different one's to you? or do you want to feel unique like me lol.

P.S im sure BETHESDA will do everything perfectly well i was just interested in others opinions on the subject please excuse my spelling grammar and punctuation

Todd said that the Dragons can use the shouts but very, VERY few npcs can.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:11 pm

As other posters have stated, Thu'um and Dragon Shouts are not exactly the same. Use of Dragon Shouts may be exclusive to those who are Dragonborn but Thu'um is not, it's an ancient Nordic discipline.

From UESP: "Today, all Tongues live secluded lives on the highest peaks of Skyrim in tough conditions and contemplation, and have only spoken to announce the destiny of the great Tiber Septim (who later created an Imperial College of the Voice in Markarth, returning the Voice to the art of warfare)."

If the above quote is to anything to go by then I'm expecting to meet at least a few Thu'um users in Skyrim, and why wouldn't I? I don't want to always have the advantage in combat, I want to be seriously challenged every now and again. Other Voice users seem to me a fine way of doing this.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:21 pm

Soumds like a "powerful wizard who lives on top of a mountain" situation...so yeah...greybeards plus like 3 other ppl and all the dragons i'd guess...i bet u one of the nord barons knows a dragon shout ONE SHOUT not 6....and then maybe some powerful hidden guy like the deadra armor mage in morrowind...anymore and i wouldnt know how they would implement it...unless it was like towards the end of the MQ and u ran into "powerful nord ancestors" or somethin...and they all knew shouts...i bet theres gonna be a quest where some guy is gonna be claiming to be dovakin or says he can do shouts but is just an elaborate ruse...i can see'em makin this
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:00 am

Agreed.. you are the ONLY Dragonborn seen in 200 years.. so now you were not the only one, but the last KNOWN now.. greybeards are NOT dragonborn.. they do not absorb dragon souls.. they.. OH and that imperial shout college was in the 1st Age.. What age is it now? 3rd or 4th? That was a LONG time ago.. things that were common then are not so common in the time that Skyrim takes place of..


The College of the Voice was founded in the 2nd Age.

Anyway, as it has been stated, what makes you special as a Dragonborn is the ability to absorb Dragon's souls. You are not the only one that can use Thu'um, of course: Greybeards or some ancient and specially powerful Draugr (I guess) can as well. But they are not THE ONE THEY FEAR.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:57 pm

I really despise Skyrim's approach to making the player special in such a way, so I'd be happy if I wasn't playing the only dragonborn (or one of very few remaining ones).

There's no heroism to achieve from just being lucky enough to be born as a dragonborn.
Accomplishing heroic deeds when you're blessed with heroic powers in the first place does not feel rewarding at all, to me.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:21 am

There's no heroism to achieve from just being lucky enough to be born as a dragonborn.
Accomplishing heroic deeds when you're blessed with heroic powers in the first place does not feel rewarding at all, to me.


Aye there's alot of truth in that, but also consider you need to kill a bloody dragon (which can of course use the powers itself in addition to being a general badass) in order to use a dragon shout. Seems like dragon shouts are a reward for heroic deeds, not a trivialisation of them.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:41 pm

I assumed that your character is billy joe badass by the end of the game, you'll probably be greater at shouting than the greybeards or the joe nords of the world. I don't know if any other npcs can use the voice, but its how dragons talk and use magic
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:05 pm

It takes away the feeling of "I'm special"? Good.

TES has always been about being just "some dude". In Morrowind, you are an ex-criminal nobody who is alienated throughout the game by the xenophobic native Dunmer. In Oblivion, you're the real hero's assistant (who is Martin Septim btw) and in Skyrim, you're one of many dragonborn, although admittedly and supposedly not that many remain.



A Dovahkiin, not the...



Gotta agree with this post. You're no one special. Just one among many.


Right......you guys may want to check out those 2 trailers that came out a while back. You know, those ones referring to a prophecy that is set in motion by events spanning millenia and involving the greatest destructive force in the TES universe, that is then going to come to a head when the greatest threat to the world runs into the one and only person who can stop it - The Dragonborn hero in Skyrim who is the only chance the world has against an army of dragons and eventual armageddon......

Yeah, you're totally a nobody.... :rolleyes:

Anyone worried that the actual shouting part of dragonshouts is going to be annoying?
In the game trailer, the dragonshout was the most obnoxious part (for me) and really killed the feeling. I have a feeling I'll be playing with a mod to remove the actual "shout"


Lol, what? Silly person. Is the shouting going to hurt your delicate ears? :violin: :tongue:
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:22 pm

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but I was under the impression that most people can use Thu'um even if it is just a minor version of it. Although, only the Dovahkiin is the only one who is capable of absorbing the souls of dragons in order to learn variants of Thu'um, while you can do this other people can only use 'Fus Ro Dah' - as if it's the 'default' Thu'um.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:20 pm

I'm excited about the prospect of battling a powerful enemy who can disappear and show up behind you, or slow time so they appear to be moving really fast. I think it will add a rich new experience to combat. If I'm the only one with those powers then I'll feel like I have too much of an advantage.
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