Hello to all this is loosely affiliated with the other thread similarly named."how many dragon's are too many"

I can't remember for the life of me who stated as such maybe Todd? but it WAS said that others would be able to use the language/shouts as well as the PC which to me is slightly worrying because it takes away some of that (IM SPECIAL) feeling being the dovahkiin brings with it if everyone one else can do what i can do. i understand the greybeards being able to do it two. but think anyone other then them is to much i mean hell a dragon born hasn't been seen/heard of for over 200 years so why now would there suddenly be individuals/groups of people with the same abilites your thoughts would you like to run in to rare NPC's with the same abilities as you maybe even different one's to you? or do you want to feel unique like me lol.

P.S im sure BETHESDA will do everything perfectly well i was just interested in others opinions on the subject please excuse my spelling grammar and punctuation

I think you should have any knowlage that you are the dovahkiin until the first plot point of the main quest.... that way, if on your second play through, you want to just be another guy in the world and join the dark brothhood or just live in a shack, you can do so without this overbearing destiny.

As for this matter... I think that a special quest related enemy that can do it. Like cultests that have learned the powers over time. It would be epic to be walking around skyrim like "imma badass, move outta my way" then you begin this quest and suddenly one guy blasts you across the room whilst another slows time, leaving you flying slowly towards a wall....

It takes away the feeling of "I'm special"? Good.

TES has always been about being just "some dude". In Morrowind, you are an ex-criminal nobody who is alienated throughout the game by the xenophobic native Dunmer. In Oblivion, you're the real hero's assistant (who is Martin Septim btw) and in Skyrim, you're one of many dragonborn, although admittedly and supposedly not that many remain.



A Dovahkiin, not the...

I'm sure not everybody's going to use dragonshouts, but there could be a few other people who can.

Also the newest interview said that the dragons themselves will use shouts too.

Actually, the way i understand it, you are THE dragon born remaining. What you are confusing is dragon shouts and "the voice". The voice was used by the nords to invade morrowind. They didn't need siege equipment; they just huffed and puffed and talked their cities to the ground. Dragon shouts are in dragon language (does it have a name?), and likely will be more interesting.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Voice

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-skyrim

Using Thu'um isn't really that specific to dragonborns, or the greybeards for that matter, these are just examples of characters that are really really good at it, and there should logically be quite common to find people with at least some skill in its usage.

Well, the graybeards aren't dovahkiins, but they can use the voice. So, that probably means some training will let others use the Thu'um, just not at the same level.

P.S. the dragons are one of the major users

Gotta agree with this post. You're no one special. Just one among many.

I dont mean special as in god like or anything maybe it takes away the uniqueness of being A dovahkiin is better? im not agains't there being others but don't want to run into another one evertime i go out into the wild if there anymore then just "ME" i want them to be random RARE encounters as for your correction on A not THE. this is were i dont know what to think todd says you are the last of the dragon born something not seen in tamriel for over 200 years so what have all the others been doing? don't say in...what's that word for voluntery reclusion? lol but what i mean is greybeards aren't dovakhiins

Here's how I understand Thu'um (the voice):

- The Greybeards have learned "the ways of the voice" through ancient methods and learnings.

- Our Dovahkiin learns "the ways of the voices" through killing dragons, absorbing their souls in order to allow you to read ancient writings on ancient walls, telling you what words to shout.

In other words, there are two ways you can learn the voice/shouts. Either by using ancient methods and learnings, which could also be used by really skilled people other than the Greybeards, or by being a Dragonborn.
In any case, it should be very very rare. Not many people should be able to use the voice. We also know that we might not be the only Dragonborn left.

Not all Thu'um are dragonshouts.. dont get that confused.. Dragon Shouts are unique in that it is done with the language of the dragon.. only Dragonborn can do it.. I dont think even the Greybeards can dragonshout.. they can use the Voice, which is simular, which is why they can train you..

I dont think there will be others using dragon shouts in game.. just you and dragons..

and from what I read, you ARE the LAST known Dragonborn.. you probably ARE the ONLY dragonborn in the game.. if not, it would be rare enough to where a group of people would show up in a tavern doing it as one person has suggested..

I think the direction they are going is that you are THE DRAGONBORN.. the last.. kind of like in Morrowind you are the Nerevarine.. in Oblivion, with the Knights of the Nine expansion/addon, it turns out that you TOO are a reincarnated legendary hero, not just some GUY as someone has stated..

which means you are THE DOVAKHIIN!

The greybeards dont dragonshout.. they use the voice.. something simular.. but different..
Dragonshouts are Thu'um, but not all Thu'um are Dragon Shouts!

sorry if this ends up a double post but hell its my topic lol
i think some others have it right and i didnt explain it properly which happens more often then i would like.

THU'UM known as the voice, way of the wind etc etc is not dragon language.
Draconian anyone know any other names?. . .is the language the dragons and THE dovahkiin use's this language is excluse to dragons and the PC or those also with Dragon blood running through there veins of which it is stated you are the last and first to be seen in 200 years make sense?

Thankyou for posting this.. I think people are confused..

I just dont want it to be like the vids of two worlds 2 where you say the word over and over everytime you use spell that in and of itself gets old fast....for example if the word for some shout was Dverdkin and you said that like 30 times in a row I dont know about you but I would be pretty sick of that darn spell/shout not to mention saying the same thing over and over is annoying.

Dead wrong on point one. You are a Hero in every game. Some random Joe Schmo from Balmora can't just become a demigod simply by questing. You get to ridiculously high levels because you are chosen by destiny and infused with the potential to do great things.

You don't want to shout when you shout?

Are you seriously saying this??? You want to use a dragon shout without any shouting????

According too the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thu%27um on Thu'um on the UESP site dragon shouts are slightly different part of the Thu'um that only a Dovahkiin can do. I don't know if that is correct or not.

I'm pretty sure no one else will be able to absorb the souls of the dragons they kill, that is, if anyone else can kill a dragon. I'd think that's makes you pretty special.

No in that I would rather shouts be more like a power in that they have a certain amount of time before you can use again.....I just dont like hearing the same thing over and over anytime I wanna use a cool spell as long as shouts arent like this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMciofkM1c
as I dont personally wanna hear the same line repeated over and over just because the shout is useful/fun but whatever....

From my knowledge, and through all the information from various sources I've read so far, anybody who has been trained can use 'the voice', but Dovahkiin, you, are the last of your kind, and the only one to use the next step in 'the voice' which is the 'Dragon Shouts'. Nobody else can use it apart from you, and thats what distinguishes you as the only person who can save Skyrim from the dragon invasion, besides, it was foretold that it would be you to rise up to the test to defeat the dragon, in the oblivion prophecy it was Martin Septim. All the prophecies were leading up to your role now as the last of the Dovahkiin.

YA'Y that makes me special again lol i knew ther was a difference between draconion and thu'um just wasn't sure if like i said you'd be the only one using shouts I.e would there be rare but random encounters with an NPC's that can use the shots which obviosly now i know there won't be lol

as a side question they stated you would encounter a few people in the world who can use thu'um other then the greybeards other then how it sounds how do you think beth will differentiate the two languages? can the PC use th'um or are we limited to dracionian?

"dragon shouts" and thu'um are more or less the same thing. the only difference is that as a dragonborn you don't need years and years of practice to pull them off on the level of the Greybeards, who have spent their entire lives learning this [censored] and getting it down to an art form.

thu'um as a basic discipline doesn't seem especially uncommon. the empire established the Imperial College of the Voice in Markarth back in the first era, and while i'm hesitant to believe that there are many graduates of the college with any real MASTERY of thu'um there's still probably some people walking around able to shout FUS RO DAH and knock a dude over.

we don't know enough about thu'um to go THIS BREAKS LORE because it's only gotten passing mentions in books up until this point. we know thu'um is related to Kyne, and there's a pretty good chance dragons are related to Kyne, so.

Didn't Todd Howard say something in a recent interview, that they're currently messing around with the numbers of dragons they use in the game. Like he made an example of an encounter he had while playing, where three dragons spawned and jumped simultaneously. He found that to be too much, and died consequently I guess. But the point is, I think as long as they don't do THAT, and have a billion jump you from nowhere I'm good. I mean, the system they're going for now sounds pretty decent. Where you'll have scripted encounters with them, that happen as part of quests or the main storyline, but you'll also have random encounters. As long as they don't 'run out' of dragons I'll be happy. I don't want them to suddenly die out. That would svck.

I personally believe story is more important than feeling "special". BTW, Bethesda hasnt said there are other Dovakhiin out there; they've said that others are able to do the Thu'um. Now the Greybeards are obvious, but I think they were pointing to what at the time was a confusing point: whether Dragons would have your same abilities. So, probably its a way of saying "yeah, the Dragons can use against you what you can use against them".