How do you think people get across the pond?


http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/3t2mza/

Ha!

Seriously though, people would most likely cross from the UK to the US by sea. It would only take the skills of someone to repair/make a boat and stockpile enough supplies for the voyage. The simplest way would be to make a sailboat, as fabric seems to be in more abundance than engines are, though I wouldn't rule out powered transport either.

The journey would probably be tough; you'd have to deal with extreme weather, food/water shortages and loneliness (if going on your own), so I'd have guessed that Tenpenny would had made the journey to the US as a much younger man.

The other option is by air, but you'd have to repair a plane to such a standard to survive transatlantic flight that this may not be the best option. Or before the war, the Tenpenny family were rich enough to buy and store a Vertibird...

(Or Tenpenny is just a fraudster...)

It's possible that there are bases in the Atlantic ocean, where a Vertibird could land, refuel and restock, then begin it's voyage again. It's also possible that a Vertibird could actually make the trip, but I doubt that.
however, crossing the ocean isn't something very difficult, though not every wastelander could do it. It would just require cash.

I'd have to say boats, since commercial airline doesn't seem so popular anymore.

http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/images/1525745-1299175575.jpg. (Far more fuel efficient.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8252162/The-return-of-the-Zeppelin-not-just-a-flight-of-fancy.html

Passenger Planes fueled by tea, crumpets, and imperialism.

It's simple.

Bethesda herps.
Then they derp.

Then violá, the British are coming.

Aliens.

They probably boat it, but it is possible there are working planes around.

Zepplins would be interesting, after all we know of one group that did that, although it didn't end very well. Hydrogen is easy to get, but it is deadly, as we all know from the Hindenburg. If people could get their hands on some helium, they would have a much safer go at it.

All in all thow by sea is the mostlikely. Given that the UK is a nation that once ruled the seas (and most of the planet), some people might have survived with the knowledge of how to sail. Small craft thow I doubt people would use, simply out fo fear of the unknown.

The Vikings and Chinese made it to America before Columbus via boats, and the Indians made it to Europe via their crappy boats in 60 B.C., and landed in Holland.

Really, it doesn't take that much to get across the ocean using a boat.

Off topic, there isn't any real hardcoe proof to say the Chinese made it to America before Columbus. Their own records don't mention of it. Discovering something means you find it, and make it back to your people and say "look what I found!" Again no record of it.

The Vikings made it to America by going from Ireland to Iceland, to Greenland and then to Newfoundland. Unless you know where those places are and how to sail (and the Vikings were masters of it), crossing the Ocean is a very hard thing to do.

Indians as in people from India or the people of native to North America? Cause I doubt they sailed from India across the Indian Ocean and up the Atlantic Ocean up Africa to Europe in a strait shot.

actually they do, in stories

so blatantly false that its laughable.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discover?s=t

and people do know were thos places are, things called maps still exist in the post-apocolyptic world.

Native american indians.

The real question is not how, but why.

Stories aren't hardcoe proof, that falls under folklore, fairy tales and myths.


What good is discovering somthing if you have no one to share it with? Hence no proof of them discovering it. You have to prove your discovery.



Maps are well and good but do they know what they will find there? Are they educated enough to understand those maps? Even if they did do they have the skills to sail there.


Where do you get your info? "MadeUpBullcrap.com"?

In all my years of studying history and such I have never heard so something so silly as Native Americans sailing to Holland over 2000 years ago.

South Americans going to Africa I have heard of, but that still has yet to be proven.

That's a silly question, the sheer fact that you know that it is is enough. The need to prove the existence of something to others for validation is something a person who is insecure would do, one does not need justification from others to know, or to have discovered something, nor does the definition of discover say you need to tell others.

Not telling people what you have discovered is is, quite literally, 100% irrelevant to the process of actually discovering something.

You might as well ask next what is the point of doing ANYTHING when all things you do will eventually be entirely forgotten by everyone and all marks you left on hisotry will become so eroded no one will ever be able to notice them,

Tenpenny does seem to be well educated.

http://www.ibtimes.com/europe-discovered-when-native-americans-shipwrecked-holland-books-claim-698714?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20ibtimes/tech%20%28IBTimes.com%20RSS%20Feed%20-%20Technology%29

I recall first seeing it biefly mentioned in a History channel documentary about who really discovered America.

Well I discovered Cold Fusion and life on Mars, but I am not going to prove it to you! You just have to take my word for it. Science community where are my Nobel Prizes already? Didn't you get my letters?


I am not questioning the possibilty of it. I am questioning the likelyhood of it. There is a difference. I am not disputing Tenpenny either.



Yeah and the History Channel also has shows staring http://www.project610.com/files/Fallout%20Aliens.jpg. So don't believe everything you see on the history channel. As South Park put it "The History Channel. Where the truth is histroy."

Nobel prizes exist to stroke the ego of the children who need to have their ego stroked every time they discover anything remotely of value.

and really, be given a prize or not changes nothing about the act of discovering, only the act of being praised for your discovery. I am not sure what exactly you were trying to prove with your statement, becuase all it shows is that unless you tell someone about what you discovered, and can prove it, you wont be rewarded, however, being reward or not is an entirely different subject matter then the act of discovery itself.

so please, try again, this time, with an example that actually proves that you have to tell people of what you discovered, in order for you to have atually discovered anything.

A difference which is largely a moot point,

-Fact: history has shown that primitive people can cross the ocean, even with very primitive equipment
-Fact: Tenpenny crossed the ocean at some point
-Fact: obviously Tenpenny, and the people he was withc, were smart enough to make even a primitive boat, which, given the SCIENCE! nature of Fallout, probably makes even some modern ships look like [censored].

Straw man, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos isn't ever treated as making statement that are accurate, only giving his view on the subject matter.

an entirely different situation then the one we are discussing.

Wow, just wow. So no one has to actually prove things to you. You just blindly believe what anyone tells you? Well in that case I am the King of Mars. Yep that's right, after I discovered the Martians, they were very impressed. Said I was the most advanced being they had ever seen and made me their King.

Oh and Bigfoots real because I know a guy who knows a guy, who met a guy in a bar that said he seen it.

Seriously thow. Sure you can find something, discover something awesome and wonderdful and ground breaking. But until you can tell others about it and prove it to them. It doesn't mean [censored] all. So some people say "well the Chinese discovered America before Columbus." I say "well prove it or shut up" (not telling anyone here to shut up). Since there is no actual proof, backed by the Chinese or anyone else with a credible historical background with proof of that "discovery" then it didn't happen.

If you want someone to believe you, say if you claim "The Chinese discovered America before Columbus." You have to provide proof that they did. Proof that can then stand up to scientific research and scrutiny. So to simply say they discovered it and we just have to take your word for it, is laughable. I know of the claims you are talking about. People believe they built a fort/town in Nova Scotia and others say they landed ships in Oregon. None of which have been proven and accepted by the scientific/historical communities.


Until you can prove it, it isn't fact. Unless you are calling the Vikings primative. I would agrue that. Even if you do "prove" something it has to stand up to scientific debate and scrutiny.


Yes I know. I am not saying he didn't.


Again not disagreeing that it is possible. Just saying it isn't in all likelyhood a common thing.


Not a straw man at all. Name the show. Who was on it. Was it just someone from the DeVry Institute?

The history channel is mostly shows about myth then it is about fact these days.

Native Americans most advanced water craft were canoes. You aren't seriously saying they crossed the Atlantic Ocean canoes? I have heard of South Americans and Africans crossing in boats made out of reeds, (maybe thats what you are talkng about?) but again, yet to be proven.

I'd like to see a scholarly academic source on this subject before I'll even consider the theory plausible. Not something from the History channel.


Straw man or not, the History channel is a completely irrelevant source. Their research is usually of poor quality and has been steadily decreasing in quality as of late. Their "theories" are usually made heedless of actual source material, purely for entertainment value.


Touting completely unproven theories as fact is what's laughable here.

You should probably do some research on Gavin Menzies, his books, and what professional historians who actually study Ming China have to say about his claims.

And there is not a shred of evidence for the Native Americans in Holland either except speculation by a Spanish chronicler who apparently didn't realize the Romans didn't suffer from the Indian/Native American confusion Columbus did. Even if you believe Pliny and the writers Pliny was drawing from actually were mistaken it's just as likely they mistranslated a mention of Irish or Spanish seafarers as they confused actual Native Americans with Indians or the Indians didn't show up by boat at all.

On topic it's far from impossible that some inhabitants of the British Isles did cross the Atlantic it's just that their motivations are completely unaddressed and the entire concept is just left hanging there without any apparent desire by Bethesda to elaborate. It's always struck me as a weird decision particularly since I don't see why Tenpenny or Moriarty needed to be foreigners at all.

The Rap a Nu I people, although not ancient, sailed several thousand miles to Easter Island. For the first few thousand they were island hopping though, but then there is that last stretch to Easter Island. Plus they did it in primitive boats.

Also they traded with South America, so they must have sailed there and back before.

Just an example of being able to cross the ocean primitively, but the Rapa Nui seemed to have a some ability to navigate the ocean, or so I've heard.

This. The very interview with Emil whatshisface, he implies that the UK is worse-off than D.C..

Ok....how? Like why the HELL would the entire continent of Europe be bombed worse than D.C.? Really now? The Chinese bombed the crap out of Estonia but thought "meh I guess we should send a couple to D.C. too?" D.C. should be one of the, if not the most irradiated, desolate and utterly destroyed cities in the world, alongside Beijing.

Even -IF- they were to explain how the UK and all of Europe is apparently worse-off than D.C., they still don't address why the HELL Tenpenny would be willing to cross the entire [censored] Atlantic ocean, but going further than D.C. in search of a more hospitable town? No, that's out of the question!!

It just makes no sense whatsoever. It's the equivalent of if I wanted to live in a civilized country, so a traveled from Turkey to Angola. And then instead of actually going to the capitol of Angola, I just stopped in the middle of the friggin' desert and said "nah this is good." My motivation and my actions just do NOT match up, nor do Tenpenny's.

It gets even stranger to me when you realize that unless Tenpenny had an accurate picture of what life was like in the USA, in which case Europe could hardly be worse off given that they're maintaining regular trans-Atlantic links with North America, there's no way he could've known what America was like until he actually got there. So Emil's whole "imagine how awful Europe must be if he came here" doesn't make any sense. Someone could have told Tenpenny the streets of D.C. were paved with gold for all we know. It's like the Brotherhood apparently having knowledge of the Super Mutant threat in D.C. despite their base being on the other side of the continent. I honestly think that Bethesda never grasped that two centuries after a devastating nuclear war the lines of communication we take for granted wouldn't exist anymore.

On the contrary, the Resource Wars included a limited nuclear conflict between European Nations and the Middle-East followed there-after by conventional wars in Europe itself; Europe is likely far more ruined than the United States.


Because tales of utopia and mythical lands have never existed? Tenpenny could have been escaping from anything in the United Kingdom, poverty, oppression, personal daemons, we don't know; one thing he's immoral and a tad eccentric after-all. The United Kingdom is not a large place and the United Kingdom of Fallout was far more acclimated to total-war and destruction than the US was with it's pipe-dreams of dime-operated survival shelters and goofy citche mascots; the states of Europe may continue and may still be fighting like a neo-middle ages.