How sixist is Cyrodiil? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:55 am

Weren't there scantily clad men in Dibella's temple?

Dibella's temple had scantily clad everybody.

» Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:50 am

What about the female strippers in Daggerfall and Morrowind? That could likely imply that women were objectified and not men. I saw no beautiful Nord Chip n' Dales.

There were dudes in loin cloths and big muscular shiny bodies in the temple of Dibella.

*drools*

» Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:06 am

What about the female strippers in Daggerfall and Morrowind? That could likely imply that women were objectified and not men. I saw no beautiful Nord Chip n' Dales.

I recall four naked nord men in Morrowind, although only one was deliberately standing around in his underwear. Even more for both genders if we include Solstheim.

More on-topic, the Mabrigashes (sic?) mention that they have forsaken men's rules for women and learn to use "men's weapons of war". And when you're on the quest to find trade goods wanted by the Zainab for Aryon, the females say nobody cares what they have to say. It appears that female Ashlanders are typically subservient. While the spiritual leader is always female, the male Ashkhan does not have to listen to her, as seen in the Erabenimsun Tribe. The only female Ashkhan is the Ahemmusa Wise Woman, and that's only because they have no real Ashkhan.

» Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:33 pm

And sometimes it's a metaphysical phallic symbol of power formed from the bones of one's ceremonial tribunal armor.

"Here, this is Muatra. Guess what it represents."

Vivec stuffs Muatra into Azura's mouth. Azura chokes!

"YOU ARE BANISHED FROM THIS STARRY HEART"

Azura explodes.

» Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:35 pm

What a goof-tastic question... I do not think that "sixism" is something Bethesda wanted to put in their game, in any form.

To answer the question:
Cyrodiil is not sixists at all, in either direction. There is no form of observable "sixism" in Cyrodiil, none.
The men and woman are equal/balanced in every way, all the way up the ladder of power (as the ES lore lays out).
..... No subliminal "keepin the woman down" content to be found. :nuts:

..... And why are we comparing the video game world of Cyrodiil to Earth's history, and assuming they are one in the same???? I understand where some things are similar, but to just assume it all applies??? No good.

» Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:38 pm

I recall four naked nord men in Morrowind, although only one was deliberately standing around in his underwear. Even more for both genders if we include Solstheim.

More on-topic, the Mabrigashes (sic?) mention that they have forsaken men's rules for women and learn to use "men's weapons of war". And when you're on the quest to find trade goods wanted by the Zainab for Aryon, the females say nobody cares what they have to say. It appears that female Ashlanders are typically subservient. While the spiritual leader is always female, the male Ashkhan does not have to listen to her, as seen in the Erabenimsun Tribe. The only female Ashkhan is the Ahemmusa Wise Woman, and that's only because they have no real Ashkhan.

heh - and we remember what the Breton 'witches' thought of the Nord men's idea of manners

QUOTE (nenina @ Feb 23 2010, 07:24 PM) *
5. How much of a six object are women viewed generally? Worshipped and adored like Smurfette? Casually peeped like MaryAnne? Overlooked like Janet Wood? Or is Cyrodiil somewhat of a sixually dull atmosphere where everyone talks of mudcrabs?

I'd say the latter. However, running around nvde as a woman in MW makes all the males around very happy. But, I think there are hints around that women tend to have to sleep around a little more often than their male counterparts, or that's just Berenziah. Actually, I think that's only Berenziah, that crazy dunmer lass.

Barenziah? Purlease read her biographies - the fun one and the official one. Also in Daggerfall you discover that Dark Elven women are considered highly promiscuous - not just here

Bosmer women seem to have 'a thing' about Nord men - wonder why/ Can it be that the Bosmer women see males as six-objects = sixis

and there is more

So there is a lot of sixism - but that is balanced by a lot of non-sixism. In ES there is said to be no Good or Evil - but surely there is. However what you really get is less structured so you decide what is good and evil. You choose to see and you tend to decide what you feel is an acceptable level of whatever that may be. It can cause a lot of forum discussion to get heated