EDIT: This thread has been updated! :toughninja: Friday 4/16/10
Updated - Not just for Nvidia! Most of this thread is very applicable to contemporary Radeon cards with updated Catalyst drivers as well -- :thumbsup:

(If you're looking for quick FPS increase without getting into graphics settings, just cruise down to the Helpful Programs and System Stability mods linked below.)

I recently bought a new gaming machine, fully-equipped with a Nvidia GTX 275 and 8GB of RAM, as well as an Intel Q9550 2.83 Quad Core CPU.

After playing games like Crysis and Mass Effect 2 without any problems, imagine my surprise when I return to my old favorite, Oblivion, and I'm struggling against CTD's (crashes to desktop), FPS (frames per second) lag and stuttering for some reason (even before installing mods). :banghead:

However, after about a month of experimenting, modding, and tweaking, I am now blown away every time I run Oblivion. It is incredibly smooth, rarely crashes, and looks absolutely amazing. This thread presents some tweaks, programs and mods which have turned my Oblivion from a stuttery 10-ish FPS mess into a streamlined, frequently 70+ FPS monster, that looks just brilliant. :drool:

(To see your FPS, bring up the console in-game ( ~ ) and type TDT)

All of this information has been previously published from other sources (see links at bottom). This is old information to most - but I hope it helps others who are coming back to Oblivion with a new machine, and want to make the leap from 2006 to 2010.

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First: Mods and Memory

The level of graphical pleasure you achieve is directly determined by Oblivion's memory and stability!

Oblivion itself is known to have inherent memory issues. Saved games and long play-time can eventually clutter things up, regardless of how powerful your machine is. It's very important to first address the stability of your choice of mods and their load order, and afterward address graphical adjustments. I recommend considering using several mods below (listed under System Stability) and seeking help in the Mods forums with loading order issues, to help clean up Oblivion's memory beforehand.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1078392-oblivion-and-memory-usage/ Thread.

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Helpful Side Programs

Here are a few optional programs you may want to consider downloading and installing (they're free, harmless and do not contain Spyware or anything of that sort).

• http://www.piriform.com/defraggler- anolyze your hard disk and discover that your /Oblivion/ files, or saves, are becoming fragmented over and over again, especially if using many mods. This program shows you which ones and quickly defragments them.
  
  
• http://www.iobit.com/gamebooster.html- Shuts down Windows services and other programs that hog your system memory in the background while playing Oblivion.
  
  
• http://www.fraps.com/ - Shows FPS and allows you to record in game videos.

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HDR with Antialiasing

Note: Graphics part of guide somewhat directed toward higher-end systems with updated drivers.

:flame: Drivers Settings Ineffective?: Some older cards (or older drivers) do not support this combination, or do not even allow any settings to take effect, even when forced through the http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index5.aspx?lang=en-usor http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.HTMLDrivers Control Panel. Update your drivers! Also, the Windows 7 operating system may demand administrator privileges before you can permanently change your settings, which would require you to log onto the computer under an adminstrator, right click and select "Run as Administrator" on the Control Panel as well as Oblivion.exe. If this still doesn't force your Oblivion to have both HDR and AA, there is a free and useful program which overrides Nvidia drivers with profiles for all games, and extra settings, called http://www.nhancer.com/. If your drivers settings still won't take effect, even when within an Oblivion.exe-specific profile, chances are your card is probably unsupported.

HDR provides a really nice soft effect to light sources. Antialiasing (AA) smooths out edges and greatly improves the looks of things. Unfortunately, Oblivion does not support having both enabled at the same time. The easy workaround to this is to make sure you have the latest http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index5.aspx?lang=en-us with the Control Panel. The 3D settings under "Global" may not take effect, however the drivers come with a profile-maker for each game installed on your system. Using this, you should be able to force Oblivion to use any AA setting, and still run with HDR; providing maximum graphical pleasure. (Some older drivers do not register Oblivion.exe as one of the games on the list - you will have to manually select the program and name the profile accordingly)

If that doesn't work, or your drivers don't support the HDR/AA combo, there's also an .ini file fix you can use. Access My Documents/My Games/Oblivion/Oblivion.ini. Make a backup copy! Edit the line that says "imultisample=0" to either "=4" or "=8". Save it. I didn't need to use this because my drivers override the .ini graphics settings, but it is an option.

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Graphics Settings (Nvidia Control Panel)

--Many of these settings are applicable to ATI cards as well.

On my system, AA causes some lag and stuttering whenever it's pushed over 8x. This isn't the fault of the card; it's due to the fact that Oblivion doesn't have the best engine support for higher modes. Fiddle around with these to achieve a good balance of FPS and visual immersion. Here are my preferences:

• Antialiasing: 8x (All settings higher than 8 were barely noticeable, but caused some lag.)
  
• Anisotropic Filtering: 8x (4x provides almost the same graphical pleasure, but may give a small boost to FPS)
  
• Anti-aliasing Transparency: Multisampling or Off NOTE! Transparency can pack a massive FPS hit when outdoors, especially if using vegetation mods! Keeping this setting to Multi- or Off boosts FPS but reduces the smoothness of leaves, grass, fine lines, etc. The game looks much more "buttery" and smooth with Supersampling on.
  
• Maximum Pre-rendered Frames: 0 (Note: pushing max PR frames up really caused some major stuttering and lag for me. Make sure it's no higher than 1.)
  
• Texture Filtering - Quality: High Quality. (Textures are the core of a nice-looking Oblivion, and this setting does not impact performance one bit for me.)
  
• Vertical Sync: Force On
  
• Triple Buffering: On
  
• (desktop color settings-->) Digital Vibrance: Makes the contrast of in-game colors much more appealing - bump it up to 20% and see how you like it.

Note: While these particular settings work for me, that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone. Mess around with 'em!

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In-Game Settings

I'm sure everyone knows in-game basics, but a few tips to remember:

Resolution: While self-explanatory, some people have experienced flickering or black-screen issues with running on anything except their monitor's Default resolution. To find out what your monitor's default resolution is, check in windows Control Panel-->Display for the *recommended one.

Actor/Item Fade: This can help reduce strain on your CPU if you experience lag in cities or places with lots of NPC's running heavy scripts. Many mods can weigh down NPC scripting and cause any computer's memory to lag a bit. Even top of the line systems can benefit from reducing heavy CPU strain. NOTE! If you are experiencing lag that is NOT affected by graphics settings, chances are it is the CPU strain of complex NPC scripts combined with Oblivion's memory issues. This is addressed with the mods below, under System Stability.

Specular Distance: Occasional crowded areas, even interiors, can cause huge specular burden with many items or NPC's wearing lots of armor. If you're experiencing these "lag areas" try turning Spec. Distance off, if you can live without shiny armor/weapons. Can help if combat lags as well.

Exterior/Self Shadows: Shadows put a crucial amount of strain on graphics cards and the CPU. If you can live without them, disable them.

Brightness: Oblivion looks much cooler if you tweak brightness/contrast/digital vibrance settings to your liking, which are all available in the Nvidia Control Panel.

Grass Distance: A major FPS influencer. For a way to reduce grass clusters without reducing view distance, see .ini tweak below.

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Oblivion .ini File Tweaks

Backup this file! Change this file at your own risk!

To get to this file, access My Documents/My Games/Oblivion/Oblivion.ini. Hit ctrl-F to find and change some settings.

More .ini tweaks and further explanation can be found, as anything can, at the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Ini_Settings. Also another guide can be found http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/95794-13-complete-oblivion-optimization-guide Much of the following came from Ghazi's Oblivion Tweakguide, linked below.

• uInterior Cell Buffer=3
  
• uExterior Cell Buffer=36

(from Ghazi's guide:) The above values determine how many cells (whether for interior or exterior areas) are buffered into RAM... For 1GB I recommend doubling the values (6 and 72 respectively). For 2GB of RAM, I use 16 and 102 respectively. For higher amounts of RAM, try raising them higher, however note that you should also raise the iPreloadSizeLimit value below.

• iPreloadSizeLimit=26214400

(from Ghazi's guide:) This setting appears to determine the maximum amount (in bytes) of RAM allowed for preloading game data. The higher the value, the more chance you have of reducing stuttering...For those with 1GB of system RAM, try doubling the variable to 52428800. For those with 2GB, try double again at 104857600 (100MB). You can raise these values even further to experiment, however note that raising this to a large amount doesn't force all the game data to sit in RAM, and can actually cause crashes. I suggest the maximum anyone should set this to should be around 262144000 (250MB), even for 2GB of RAM. Make sure to raise your Cell Buffer values accordingly (see above)."

I have set these to 16, 102, and 104857600 respectively, for 8GB of system RAM.

• iMinGrassSize=120

(from Ghazi's guide:) This setting controls the density of grass clumps. The higher the value, the less tightly packed grassy areas will be, resulting in more empty spaces in grassland, and thus noticeably higher FPS in heavily grassed areas. I suggest a value of 120 to improve FPS without overly thinning out grass."

Bumping these to around twice their values will increase the distance you can see light sources like torches, fireballs and candles:

fLightLOD1
fLightLOD2

Here are some extra .ini tweaks that may help cope with low RAM or slower CPU's.

bBackgroundLoadLipFiles=1
bLoadBackgroundFaceGen=1
bBackgroundCell Loads=1
bLoadHelmetsInBackground=1
iBackgroundLoadLoading=1
bBackgroundPathin g=1

If your processor is a dual-core or supports hyperthreading, edit the following lines as such:

bUseThreadedBlood=1
bUseThreadedMorpher=1
bUseThreadedTempEffects= 1
bUseThreadedParticleSystem=1
bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1
bUseMultiThreadedFace Gen=1
iNumHavokThreads=5
iThreads=9
iOpenMPLevel=10

To disable the intro movie. blank these values:

SMainMenuMovieIntro=
SIntroSequence=

Turning off music can improve performance and reduce certain types of CTD's.

bmusicenabled=0

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Mods Turn 2006 into 2010

:excl: IMPORTANT NOTE:
Mods can have a major effect on FPS. Careful installation of mods, and using the System Stability programs, can greatly reduce stuttering/lag issues with overhaul mods. Overhaul mods can make NPC scripts burden your CPU, creating lag in cities, which is unavoidable by graphics settings. Before installing/uninstalling mods, remember that your current saved games may be in jeopardy either way. :excl:

For questions about load orders or mod advice, use the mods forums.


This is my upgraded list of must-haves. It's worth the work to get them installed and running - which means a clean install and cracking your knuckles to get into the modding process, which can be a bit grubby at times. The only mods below which will have an effect on how good your Oblivion looks are the Graphics mods, but I've included the rest of the list because you may as well go through a full overhaul process to provide the best stability and improved gameplay.

Installing them is no cakewalk - Read http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1083993-in-depth-guide-for-installing-fcom-and-non-fcom-setups-with-bain/page__p__15794917&#entry15794917 before beginning the process!

Must-have Side Programs

• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10533
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2097
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368

:thumbsup: For System Stability:

• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10400 (note: Everyone should be using the streampurge/streamsave features of this program, to prevent all sorts of CTD's and memory issues with saved games)
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208 (note: check out the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1074487-relzoblivion-stutter-remover/page__st__120__p__15838654__fromsearch__1&#entry15838654 for further tweaks - a particularly effective mod for me)
  
• http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1078392-oblivion-and-memory-usage forum thread
  
• http://www.ntcore.com/4gb_patch.php
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22410

:thumbsup: For Graphics/Textures

• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11167
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13632
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18498
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23783
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18305
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19628
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5643
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4109

Overhauls: (note: recommend clean Oblivion reinstall and careful planning before using these)

• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14442
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15256
  
• http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1083199-martigens-monster-mod-ooo/page__p__15781615__fromsearch__1&#entry15781615

Gameplay: (purely personal preference)

• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14304
  
• http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25078 or http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4432

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/albertine

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Using these tweaks and mods I turned a rickety, stuttery, drab and flat Oblivion into a streamlined, gorgeous beast.

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/Atarb/Oblivion187.jpg http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/Atarb/Oblivion183.jpg http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/Atarb/Oblivion207.jpg http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/Atarb/Oblivion213.jpghttp://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/Atarb/Oblivion224.jpg http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/Atarb/Oblivion214.jpg

(These screens are squeezed to much lower resolution. Left the HUD and compass on as proof that it was also playable - during each screenshot, FPS was well above 60.)

There are better guides to graphical modding out there, and you may find preferable alternatives to the mods which I use, so please take any questions to the Mod forums. Thanks for reading - please PM any broken links. Yes, I know that all of this information has been shared before in other places - please PM and more guides and I will add links to them. A contemporary Nvidia card can be tricky to cater to Oblivion's engine. I hope someone finds this helpful! :foodndrink:

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Other guides to check out:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Oblivion_1.html
http://www.katsbits.com/htm/articles/oblivion/oblivion_performance_fps_tweaks.htm
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6147127/p-6.html
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Tweaking
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Feature/36546,optimising-oblivion-v20.aspx

The 19X.xx series drivers don't always play well with Beth games. Most recommend something in the 186 range.

Really? I'm using 196.21 right now. Will switching to 186 improve performance?

EDIT: FYI I'm using 9800GT and Core2Duo 2.4 GHz, and the above methode doesn't work for me. Guess they're serious when saying one size doesn't fit all

This has piqued my interest. I'm about to do a few key upgrades to my system, and am in the process of getting new drivers together..

I would highly recommend you give it a shot. Use something like driver cleaner, or driver sweeper, to be sure all remnants of the newer drivers are gone, install the 186.18 drivers, and test. Please report back with your findings.

Apparently the new driver is fine performance-wise, it's your regular nVidia new driver update, but it has overheating issues.
Supposedly the fans don't spin up like they should (or used to with the previous drivers).
But I wouldn't say the earlier drivers offer better performance per se...
You could just let your current drivers ride, and don't update. But they took those 'bad' drivers down, anyway (so, it never happened, heheh)
Trying to roll-back drivers is a pain and not purposeful.
I always recommend never force AF or AA from the little 3-D panels, whether nVidia or ATi.
It can often solve a lot of problems, but you've got your new monster rig there so whatever.
Yeah that TweakGuide guy Khoroush Ghazi (sp?sorry) is pretty good. I myself carefully adjusted everything he touched upon.
L8R

The only real issue early 19X.XX series drivers had was the inability to force AA unless it was set globally (not just for the individual game). This has been corrected for some time and 196.21 are just fine (there are no overheating issues with them - that was 196.75 which has been pulled by Nvidia). Thanks for the nice post Albertine. A lot folks here are kind of the mind that "oh, yeah, we know all that stuff", but it still a good reminder and helpful to those who aren't familiar with the game.

Yeah, I figured lots of people would know all that stuff, but as a newbie I spent lots of time figuring it out. I was excited to get Oblivion to look so great.

Anyone using any of those mods I listed?

I use JQ's scripted backpacks, by da mage. Adapted abit by me, using OBSE.

Acolyte thanks for posting these tips. I followed most of them last night and saw a definite increase in my FPS. I set my HDR in game and my AA in the card control panel. The only one I didn't see was this one: "Maximum Pre-rendered Frames: 0 (Note: pushing max PR frames up really caused some major stuttering and lag for me. Make sure it's at 0.)" -- not an option on my NVidia panel.

Now I'm finally downloading Qarl's Texture Pack - I've been wanting to try it for a long time but could never get my FPS high enough to justify it. I'm still having some issues around some areas but it's typically high grass areas.

Hi, Im Normally in the Mods Forum , But saw this and thought i would mention this for you....

Low Tri Poly Grass Is a good mod for this ,Search Nexus.. gave a FPS increase along side changing the INI to the Suggested 120 for the Grass.

Just a side note , Using Diverse Grass For me saw a major Reduction in FPS.



To the OP... Nice Well planned Post .

Thanks, but since then I've learned alot about mods, which is an equally valid FPS issue.

I'll probably go back and change that mods list later when I have time. It's very important for FPS to make sure your mods are new versions, compatible, and loaded properly. Almost as crucial as video settings - so it deserves a spot because I've advertised my favorite mods, and they may actually lower FPS.

Especially if accidentally using an outdated version of OOO, which is really easy to do if you're new to modding, like me. :cryvaultboy:

I wish I had known about this earlier Albertine. I would have linked it a while ago.


Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210

Okay, I edited the OP with a bunch of new info. Hope someone finds something useful! :toughninja:

PM me with suggestions.

If not, here's a http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/4821/slide_4821_67133_large.jpg so at least you got something out of it.

You may want to link to your load order page on TESIV: POSItive as well. That way people will know where those beautiful screen shots came from.


Edit: In the future, use the console command "TM" to remove that obtrusive HUD from the screen when you are capturing your scenic shots.

I have to say that this thread (well, the edited and improved version of it) is a valuable resource for everyone who is new to Oblivion or is trying the PC version for the first time. Congratulations on a job well done, Albertine! :goodjob:

Thankyou. Further updated the thread with new information as I pick it up.

I would also like to note that adjusting memory issues with the programs listed under "System Stability" can have a major impact on FPS, if anyone uses these tweaks and still isn't satisfied.

You should probably mention that Wrye Bash includes the NVIDIA Black Screen fix tweak. By right-clicking on a plugin in the WB mods tab, you have the option of applying the "nVidia fog fix", directly modifying the plugin. You can also select the tweak in the bashed patch, avoiding the direct plugin changes. It does not get everything, same with the stand-alone nVidia fix patches, but that should take care of most plugins. An nVidia fix that I do not think is included in the WB offerings, is the http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13632.

I've been having good luck and then not so good with your post. I was ok until I loaded Operation Optimization (old post; this has been since updated). Since then my fps has gone downhill. I've loaded some mods since but mostly house mods.

Here's a peek at my mods and loading order; maybe you can see something that might be causing me issues.I did try curate's suggestion of LowTriPolyGrass today - I like the varieties of the length of grasses but this did not fix my problem. I don't know...before I was getting about 20 fps with high grass settings and all, now I'm getting about 8-10 walking outside skingrad. I want to fix this problem - I just downloaded Millstone Farm and I love it so much but I move like a turtle though that area (both inside and out of the house). Most of the other areas I can get by all areas my fps has degraded since I started poking around with this stuff.

*ESMS*

Oblivion.esm
Armamentarium.esm
Cobl Main.esm
EyeCandy - Content.esm
AkaviriKojima.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Lamps of Oblivion Master.esm
bookplacing.esm

*DLCs and patches*
AkaviriKojimaTravel.esp -- not sure why this one is way up here
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
Knights.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
Pinewood.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
nVidia Black Screen Fix.esp

*Environ*
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Blue_Lagoon_Water-2032.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

*Stuff*
Shadow Ranger.esp
Shadow Steed.esp
Corean_hair_for_Original_race.esp
SetsunaDummyTraining.esp
Marksman Velocity.esp
TradeShip.esp
886-ExtremeMarksman.esp

*Houses, Buildings*
5573-1.0-Villa Nova, my private retreat-TESSource.esp
ArmoryLab.esp
Valley_View_Estate.esp
Auriel's_Retreat.esp
Better Benirus Manor.esp
Hedge Home.esp
Ivy Cottage.esp
Star's Rest.esp
Star's Rest - Ayleid Well.esp
OakmoorFarmhouse.esp
The Haven Of Weye.esp
Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp
GlenvarCastle.esp
Amaterasu no Yume.esp
Snow Dragon Temple v1.0.esp
photoroom.esp
Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
EyeCandy Compilation.esp
Chapel Shop.esp
Museum.esp
Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
VisiblyUnlimited.esp
Hidden Cave.esp
Well Thief v 1.1.esp

*Clutter and Junk Fixes*
ArtfulThievery.esp
300_Random_Clutter.esp
NPCsMoreGold.esp
AC's realistic priced clutter.esp

*Collectibles and some random stuff*
Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
gardening.esp
Automagic Bags.esp
CrystalCalendarAlternateEdition.esp
Collectible T-Shirts V2.1.esp
Collectible T-Shirts V1.0.esp
Collectable Miniature Daedric Shrines.esp
ImprovedSoulgems.esp
KB - House of Wonders.esp
P1DcandlesForKleptos.esp
Tamriel's Glittering Geology- No Gold Weight.esp
Guide Books.esp
Cliff_BetterLetters.esp
CM_Better Wine.esp
Cyrodilic Brandy.esp
Inebriation.esp
IWR-WindowsLightsShutters.esp
Elder Scrolls Book Club - Oblivion.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
Knights - Book Jackets.esp
bookplacing.esp
Visually Realistic Lava.esp
Distant Chapel Bells.esp
ArmamentariumTest.esp
ArmamentariumVendors.esp
Banes_Artifacts_for_Adventurers.esp
Banes_Artifacts_for_Adventurers_2.esp
PTArtifacts.esp
Hentai Mania.esp
Days&Months.esp
R18PN - Lingeries.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp
Lamps of Oblivion.esp

*Pose Mods*
actors_in_charge.esp
ActorsInMadness.esp
ActorsInEmotions.esp
CTAddPose_glock3.esp
CTAddPose SPB 02.esp
CTAddPose_Le01.esp
CTAddPose_Le02.esp
CTAddPose_SPB_01.esp
CTAddPose_v_1.esp
CTAddPose_osr1.esp
CTAddPose_osr2.esp
CTAddPose_osr3.esp
EFGAddPose.esp
StandingJOJO.esp
LainPoseMODv1.4.esp

*Some more random stuff - guess it should be combine with the above random stuff*
P1DanywhereSittable.esp
XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp
Nature's_bounty.esp
Bedrollsanyone.esp
HGECKoganeHuntressOutfit.esp
CET-Utility-Belt.esp
TamrielTravellers.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsUnscaled.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp
TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp
AyleidArrows.esp
ExnemRuneskulls.esp
RZWPortableCandles.esp
qazHorseCommand -horsearmor.esp --- need to load this later on and that's why it's here
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Cobl Races TNR.esp
Cobl Races TNR SI.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
Better_Gem_Pricing-7112.esp -- mod won't work properly unless after the Cobl stuff
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

This should be posted in the mods thread... You changed BOSS' ordering?

OP asked me to post my load order here; I don't use BOSS I'd rather hand order. I might have some things messed up If you see something wrong please let me know.

Oh, that is odd. I think you should use BOSS to order your mods, however. The log also give a lot of information that it would be hard for one mind to keep up with. I guess I will look it over anyway...

Edit: Excluding COBL, you should only use one TTItemsXX plugin, and your load order makes little since to me. Can you really load the COBL TNR plugins without COBL races? Why not use just the regular TNR mods? http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/outdatedmods

Use the bashed patch tweak instead: nVidia Black Screen Fix.esp

These do not overlap?
Collectible T-Shirts V2.1.esp
Collectible T-Shirts V1.0.esp

Banes_Artifacts_for_Adventurers.esp
Banes_Artifacts_for_Adventurers_2.esp

ArmamentariumTest.esp
ArmamentariumVendors.esp


Basically, I do not understand your load ordering. The order of the DLCs looks questionable, but those that you are using are not the ones with the big conflicts, so maybe that list is fine the way it is. Also, Operation Optimization only affects SI, so that should not be the cause of your sudden FPS drop. Try a clean boot or something...

Well I can try BOSS later. I've been wanting to do so but I'm so used to hand-ordering in OBMM and just didn't see a reason to change it. But I will work on that later.

Yes I think I had problems with COBL races if I'm not mistaken? It's been awhile but I poked around at what worked for me (I was getting black faces, hollow eyes)...I worked at it for two days trying to get it all working for me. So somehow I've loaded those plugins without races.All my TNR folks look great and so does my character.

BUT! I have great news. I finally got my NVidia driver updated and now I have a program slot for Elder Scrolls: Oblivion and can set all the settings now. I could not do it before - Vista wasn't allowing me to save the changes I made in the Nvidia control panel. I'd thought my drivers were updated but when I went digging to see, I found that they were actually not. Now I'm getting about 20 fps outside of Chorrol now instead of 8. I'm very happy with the boost and haven't even tried streamline yet.

Tomlong,
How can I use the bashed patch tweak instead of Nvidia black screen fix? I'll look into that - is it automatically in there when I do a bashed patch?

Those files - collectible teees - 2 different files version one and two, banes is the same, and I think you're right about Armanentarium. I need to remove either test or vendors.

I do not remember where it, but it is in the bashed patch tweaks somewhere... I will get that on the bashed patch page when I update it. It should not be hard to find, however.

Mods have a major effect on FPS, so if anyone explores this thread looking for a solution to Nvidia issues, one big thing to address is the load order and stability of the mods/system setup beforehand. After cleaning up that load order, you might find graphics settings have are much easier to mediate. :thumbsup:

Gankaku - once you get Streamline and OSR installed, and congrats on figuring out the drivers...I hope soon you may very well double that FPS. :flamethrower:



I removed Op.Op. from the list, and I had no idea you were working with so many mods. Definitely take some time to clean up any clutter in the loading order - that's priority 1...but removing some parts of mods might put saved games may be in jeopardy, just as a caution.

EDIT: added a section in top post about mods and memory.