How strictly do the Bosmer adhere to the Green Pact?

Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:30 pm

I've been doing some research on the Green Pact on the UESP, but the information there is quite lacking in the little details. It explains what the Green Pact is, that it was sworn to Y'ffre in return for his patronage, and that the practicing of this pact includes ritualistic cannibalism, strict (I think) carnivorism, and refraining to use any natural materials from Valenwood or hurting any of the natural flora.

What interested me though is that it said that whilst Bosmer will not use any wood from the Valenwood trees, they will import and use foreign wooden products.

What does this mean about the strictness of the Green Pact? Can Bosmer use wood from other lands for building use, or can they only import ready-made products? Do Bosmer who have emigrated away from Valenwood have to follow it? Can Bosmer eat vegetation from other lands, or are they absolute carnivores? Is it still enforced, ie. do most Bosmer families still bring their children up to follow the green pact? Do Bosmer ever break the green pact? What are the repercussions of doing this, facing the wrath of Y'ffre or is it just frowned upon?

I'm not much of a lore buff, so forgive me if I have overlooked something massively obvious or have gotten anything wrong with what I've gathered about the Green Pact so far.

Any help would be much appreciated, thank you in advance :)
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:48 pm

I remember that there was a topic about this a while back, and I believe it was commonly thought that the Green Pact is enforced in strictly Valenwood as bosmer in all of the TES games that have them allow them to eat plants and use plant products.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:57 pm

If there's a game in Valenwood, I REALLY hope Beth makes it so that bosmer can't pick plants or eat them.

But, to offset the lack of veggy diet, they are able to harvest more animal and people bits, and gain stronger or more varied effects.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:39 am

In the past, they've resorted to piracy as policy, to ensure what they use comes from the forests of foreign provences. I'm thinking the Green Pact would be easier for a Bosmer to adhere to in other provences, because it only restricts the consumption of Valenwood plants. As far as how rigid the tradition is kept in modern times, I don't realy know. These old traditions might be challenged, with recent change in Valenwood sort of foreshadowing this.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:40 pm

In the past, they've resorted to piracy as policy, to ensure what they use comes from the forests of foreign provences. I'm thinking the Green Pact would be easier for a Bosmer to adhere to in other provences, because it only restricts the consumption of Valenwood plants. As far as how rigid the tradition is kept in modern times, I don't realy know. These old traditions might be challenged, with recent change in Valenwood sort of foreshadowing this.

Actually, if the PGE3 is indicating anything, the bosmer are going to be even more hardcoe about the Green Pact.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:22 pm

I certainly didn't come to that conclusion.
Whether these are isolated events, or signs of some great change coming to Valenwood, remains to be seen.
He's pretty damn vague about his wording, but apparently the writer thinks there's a possibility for great change, and that could mean a refutation of the old customs by this returning Y'ffre, among other things.
... old Forest God Y'ffre is returning with new gifts for his favored people ...
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:09 pm

I certainly didn't come to that conclusion.
Whether these are isolated events, or signs of some great change coming to Valenwood, remains to be seen.
He's pretty damn vague about his wording, but apparently the writer thinks there's a possibility for great change, and that could mean a refutation of the old customs by this returning Y'ffre, among other things.
... old Forest God Y'ffre is returning with new gifts for his favored people ...



I hope its not a lump of coal.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:05 am

I was thinking a debunking of legalistic tradition, like the Green Pact, and a united Valenwood. The words "chosenfavored people" bring to mind the concept of a united Bosmeri nation.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:33 pm

I remember that there was a topic about this a while back, and I believe it was commonly thought that the Green Pact is enforced in strictly Valenwood as bosmer in all of the TES games that have them allow them to eat plants and use plant products.

Correct me if Im wrong but the Green Pact is more religious then anything, is it not? If so, then the majority of the Bosmeri encountered could be less then faithful due to the distance to Valenwood. For instance, the Dunmer living in Morrowind are more faithful templegoers and ancestor worshipers then Dunmer living in other, more religiously mixed areas farther away from Morrowind, or atleast I think. Also as mentioned it could concern Valenwood plants and not other plants.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:59 am

Correct me if Im wrong but the Green Pact is more religious then anything, is it not? If so, then the majority of the Bosmeri encountered could be less then faithful due to the distance to Valenwood. For instance, the Dunmer living in Morrowind are more faithful templegoers and ancestor worshipers then Dunmer living in other, more religiously mixed areas farther away from Morrowind, or atleast I think. Also as mentioned it could concern Valenwood plants and not other plants.


I think your comment misses out on part of it J'sar - the lore so far seems to orient on the interaction between Bosmer and Valenwood itself. We still have no idea how closely Yffre is tied to the Forest - though we do know he has become one of the Earthbones. Is Yffre a primal Earth-spirit type God or what?

Religion is not mythical here - Gods do live as do Daedic Princes. And Heroes :D

It's true, as you say, that events in one Province seem less real in other Provinces - naturally.

So you would expect the attitudes and thoughts of the inhabitants of Valenwood to be based on their feelings about a real being more than a question of belief. Even the enemies of the Gods do not bother to deny their deity - so questioning is about their nature and relative strength etc ...

When folks leave Valenwood how could they harm Valenwood by eating the non-Valenwood veggie-burger? So Bosmer are not fundamentally carnivores - they do not eat Valenwood veggies as a matter of commonsense = do not mess with the ssleeping Forest God lest he awaken and mess with you etc ...
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