how do the daedra get to morrowind? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:27 pm

in oblivion the daedra only come from the oblivion gates and when a summoner summons one and then it only stays for a little bit. but in morrowind theres daedra all over the place in ruins and stuff. how did they get to morrowind? were oblivion gates ever opened in morrowind at one time?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:37 pm

A wizard did it.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:22 pm

A wizard did it.

well a wizard could summon them with conjuration spells but they wouldnt stay around very long

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:26 pm

well a wizard could summon them with conjuration spells but they would stay around very long

Long term summons. For example, Krazzt and Anhaedra were summoned and bound to Nirn by Vivec. There's also the necrophiliac Dremora in Tel Aruhn, summoned by Lord Gothren, a Telvanni wizard.

So... yeah. Magic.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:13 pm

Worshippers may bind other Daedric servants to this plane through rituals and pacts. Such arrangements result in the Daedric servant remaining on this plane indefinitely -- or at least until their bodily manifestations on this plane are destroyed, precipitating their supernatural essences back to Oblivion. Whenever Daedra are encountered at Daedric ruins or in tombs, they are almost invariably long-term visitors to our plane. http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/darkest_darkness.shtml

These indefinite summons are available to any sorcerer with the time and knowledge required to perform them, not just worshippers.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:07 am

Powerful magic. We are not talking mortal magic here. We are talking about powerful Daedric magic.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:10 am

Worshippers may bind other Daedric servants to this plane through rituals and pacts. Such arrangements result in the Daedric servant remaining on this plane indefinitely -- or at least until their bodily manifestations on this plane are destroyed, precipitating their supernatural essences back to Oblivion. Whenever Daedra are encountered at Daedric ruins or in tombs, they are almost invariably long-term visitors to our plane. http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/darkest_darkness.shtml

These indefinite summons are available to any sorcerer with the time and knowledge required to perform them, not just worshippers.

then why cant the player do it?

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:48 am

then why cant the player do it?

The player can't do it because it seems

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Sheogorath

isn't capable of casting more powerful magic than

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his worshippers.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:43 pm

The player can't do it because it seems

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Sheogorath

isn't capable of casting more powerful magic than

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his worshippers.

wat?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:20 pm

In other words, limitations of game mechanics and design choices.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:02 pm

wat?

If you didn't get it, I won't explain it.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:53 pm

then why cant the player do it?

Because the gameplay doesnt allow it. There are always things that should be available to the player according to lore, but are not because of balancing or game engine limitaitons. For instance, theres a wizard in Morrowind who summoned a dozen scamps for manual labor when uncovering hidden areas underground. If the player could summon an army of permanent daedra, it would strain the game engine, and it would probably make things unbalanced too. But according to the lore side of the story, you would be able to if youre powerful enough.
Edit: Bah, ThatOneGuy beat me to it. By far.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:57 am

If you didn't get it, I won't explain it.

Now how exactly is that fair? It took me a while to figure out what you were talking about, the statement was so ambiguous and seemingly disconnected. What of those who haven't actually played SI? How are they supposed to know what you're talking about?

Basically what Seti was talking about was http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation*

*If you need the next several hours of your life for something important, http://xkcd.com/609/

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:37 pm

Now how exactly is that fair? It took me a while to figure out what you were talking about, the statement was so ambiguous and seemingly disconnected. What of those who haven't actually played SI? How are they supposed to know what you're talking about?

Basically what Seti was talking about was http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation*

*If you need the next several hours of your life for something important, http://xkcd.com/609/

I'd explain how it is fair, but you sound like someone who hasn't read A Game of Thrones.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:38 pm

ok so then how come all the daedra in oblivion are only from the gates? if they can summon daedra forever in morrowind how come it dosnt happen oblivion?

well theres some atronachs but other than that theres no daedra in OB that i know of that isnt from a gate. esp the ones like dremora and golden saints.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:02 pm

Now how exactly is that fair? It took me a while to figure out what you were talking about, the statement was so ambiguous and seemingly disconnected. What of those who haven't actually played SI? How are they supposed to know what you're talking about?

Basically what Seti was talking about was http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation*

*If you need the next several hours of your life for something important, http://xkcd.com/609/

I didn't want to explain it because it is a spoiler.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:14 pm

I didn't want to explain it because it is a spoiler.

Spoilers don't matter here.

@ DivineCrusader; that's not true. There's a bunch of Daedra in Conjurer dungeons.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:18 pm

Spoilers don't matter here.

@ DivineCrusader; that's not true. There's a bunch of Daedra in Conjurer dungeons.

i havnt played oblivion in a long time but i dont remember there ever being any non conjured dremora in dungeons. and there certainly werent any golden saints or hungers ect like there were in morrowin.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Spoilers don't matter here.

@ DivineCrusader; that's not true. There's a bunch of Daedra in Conjurer dungeons.

I still don't want to spoil the game for DivineCrusader. I don't think he/she has played SI yet.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:35 pm

i havnt played oblivion in a long time but i dont remember there ever being any non conjured dremora in dungeons. and there certainly werent any golden saints or hungers ect like there were in morrowin.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Conjurer_Dungeons

"Conjurer dungeons tend to also be populated by Daedra. These are in addition to the Daedra that the conjurers Summon."

@Seti; if you haven't played a game yet the last place you want to go is the lore forum. Talking lore will obviously bring up spoilers as a matter of course.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:16 am

I still don't want to spoil the game for DivineCrusader. I don't think he/she has played SI yet.

yes i have and i know what you said had something to do with

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the player becoming sheogorath

but i still didnt understand what you meant.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:03 am

yes i have and i know what you said had something to do with

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the player becoming sheogorath

but i still didnt understand what you meant.

Oh, okay. I was referring to a game mechanic making it impossible to do what one should actually be able to do. The game mechanic is what explains why

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a Daedric Prince isn't capable of doing what his worshippers can in lore.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:20 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Conjurer_Dungeons

"Conjurer dungeons tend to also be populated by Daedra. These are in addition to the Daedra that the conjurers Summon."

@Seti; if you haven't played a game yet the last place you want to go is the lore forum. Talking lore will obviously bring up spoilers as a matter of course.

ok but that still dosnt explain why no one bothers to conjur anything like a golden saint or a hunger in cyrodiil but they do in morrowind.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:31 pm

ok but that still dosnt explain why no one bothers to conjur anything like a golden saint or a hunger in cyrodiil but they do in morrowind.

It must be due to them just not being known about in Cyrodiil. The SI seem to be more like Morrowind in some ways.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:20 pm

ok but that still dosnt explain why no one bothers to conjur anything like a golden saint or a hunger in cyrodiil but they do in morrowind.

Because the devs didn't code it when the SI was released, is your answer. Nothing stopping you summoning them in Cyrodiil.