Recently bought this gun for the first time, and I have to say I'm disappointed. It's an LMG with a scope and less spread in exchange for lower damage, but the spread is still high enough that you generally will NOT snipe with it. 99% of the time, my AMR can handle the long-range situation better, so I don't see why one would bother with the scope.

However, some people swear by the gun and say they love it, so what am I missing? Does it get loads more accuracte once your guns skill hits 100? (mine is 97)

I guess... It doesn't always look like all my bullets hit, but they all do, usually. I can snipe things at draw distance with suprising accuracy. I'd assume with the Match Hand load ammo it would be even more accurate(didn't get Hand Loader yet). It plows through ammo really quickly though and since I'm playing Legion I can't just go buy 5.56 ammo at Hoover Dam.

I believe if you lack the necessary Guns Skill it doesn't matter how close you are to having the stats, you still will perform just as bad as if you had 20 Guns. You can always try using Milsurp Review and testing your accuracy verses not using it (having 97 Guns) and testing your accuracy.

It functions nicely as a medium range weapon without awful iron sights blocking your target like a couple of weapons I could mention.....

I guess you could use Implant GRX and aim for the head, but most people would say that it's an invalid argument to use overpowered stuff to make a weapon viable.

It's not a good automatic weapon. It's accuracy and damage are pretty bad. Scopes are useless with automatic weapons, because you can't zoom (reducing its spread) when a target is nearby. And only the first hit will result in a sneak attack if you actually hit your target, making it a useless, inaccurate sniper rifle. There are so many better automatic weapons to use: Vance's 9mm submachine gun with 9mm JHP, fully modded GRA Assault Carbine, a fully modded minigun, etc.

And therein lies the problem. You treat it as a sniper rifle. I swear Sawyer said on one of his posts that don't treat it like one. But don't worry I'm sure everyone comes to that conclusion when first using the weapon.

I fail to see how 285 DPS is bad. Obviously anything less must be abysmal by your logic.

After playing Borderlands, my opinion on scopes for automatics is quite different.

The weapon is intended for medium range and with Match ammo its more accurate than the Sprtel. But I'm sure you can hipfire or use VATS in close range.

+1. I really like having scopes on automatic weapons. It really helps with the whole "spray and pray" thing.

-Nukeknockout

No I don't treat it like a sniper rifle, I was simply pointing out how useless the scope was. It's good against unarmored targets but totally useless against armored targets, and its still inaccurate.

It's like a crappy version of an Assault Carbine.

I treat it as a mid - long range weapon. I sneak up to clumps of enemies bunched together, and pump a clip into all of them...no more enemies. I approached the Silver Rush after wasting their cryer and outside guard. The 4 guards from inside came out, all bunched together at the doorstep, I had them in my sights, pulled the trigger and all that was left was a bloody pile of body parts.

I love the Bozar!

I use it pretty well. I think that using Match Load rounds makes all the difference. I use it agains light armored raiders and unarmored targets, and they drop fast. I used a dose of Implant GRX and sucessfully loaded a bloatfly's head with 30 rounds of 5.56 Match without missing once.

With match ammo I find the Bozar very useful for mid ranged combat against lightly armored targets. I also use the Bozar whenever the assassins show up, because I catch them at a decent range and then use the Bozar to mag-dump armor piercing rounds into them before they can even get a shot off. Considering Legion assassins ambush me three times per game day, the Bozar comes in handy a lot. Other than what I mentioned, I don't find the Bozar all that useful, and I sometimes use Red Glare in it's place, which seems to get the job done a little bit better than the Bozar.

Bozar fails at being a Sniper.
Bozar fails at being a LMG.
Its just not worth it.

I was excited to first get it when the DLC came out then I got disappointed about bad it was. It fails too hard at everything.

Then think of it as an underpowered scoped battle rifle with lousy spread that's heavy as hell. :hubbahubba:

-Gunny

The Fallout 2 version is much better. It eats tons of ammo but is by far more effective than the NV version which seems to be dumb down.

Then in that case...........I love the Bozar!

I think I would have liked the Bozar more if it had chambered a heavier round like the 12.7mm or even the .308 (I know the argument can be made we already have enough of those). It would have made it more like the overpowered version from F2. I was even wishing it could fire the .50 MG semi-auto; then I think the scope would make more sense. Anything mid-range or less give me a laser pointer.

By the way, I found Borderlands to be a large disappointment. I can see how console players may of loved it because of a lack of those types of games but Gearbox pretty much let down out of the park outside of the random fun.

To that end Bozar while clearly not the same as Fallout 2 wasn't ever a sniper there either. If I recall it had a bug and they left it in, and it quickly charmed a lot of people.


It's not ment to be a traditional sniper rifle which is why it grew popular.

Of coarse what it was is basically an LMG with a scope for all intents and purposes with a common ammo type. As it is in New Vegas. Coarse I never used Bozar much in 2.

I think much of the disappointment from Bozar comes from the other weapons available and/or seeing its form people presume it's a 1 shot sniper rifle.

What do you mean? The Bozar chambers .50MG in my game.

-Gunny

Yeah if I still gamed on my PC I would have it chamber the .50 too. I game on the console for many reasons but giving up the mods I enjoyed in F3 was the hardest. I just have so little time nowadays to really get that deep into gaming anymore (svcks I know). Someday I may revisit the whole shabang on the PC and use a mod that allows me to cross over from the F3 area to NV with ease. I am also hoping someone decides to remake F1 and F2 using a newer engine but with the more modern NV type game mechanics (not necessarily using gamebryo).

For those saying "use it for mid-range," like where?

I guess my problem is...

Long range: I use a sniper. Deathclaw, cazador or anything else off in the distance? I'll attempt to snipe first.
Mid range: I use an all-around gun. Brush Gun, Survivalist's Rifle, maybe a pro sidearm like Lucky or ALSID. I need a gun like this for if we're talking about something like a Deathclaw that will close the gap quickly, or even just to get the best DPS on anyone else
Close range: If the above scenario happened, I'll keep out my Brush Gun. If it starts close range, I use a sidearm to conserve ammo on my more powerful guns. (sidearms are a purely financial decision in my book) If I need to get the enemy off of me quick, I may pull out a shotgun on a character with And Stay Back, or otherwise I'll pull out an SMG or LMG.



My problem is, why bother with the Bozar at all when others could do that job better? Instead of using it for mid-range, the sneak attack critical I'd get from a Brush Gun might one-shot the target. Instead of wasting ammo (and money) spraying and praying and missing half the shots, the Brush Gun or a good pistol would conserve on ammo (and money) and still get the job done. The only remaining use is for close range, but in that case, the Bozar is just a nerfed LMG. I've traded damage (even more damage if I have Grunt) from the LMG for that stupid scope I'm not even using.


The Bozar is like the two-headed bear, not knowing where it wants to go. It half-asses every potential job it could fulfill.

I think it was meant more to be fan service to longtime fallout fiends. I agree implementation could have been better but with so much to play with it at least adds variety.

You know what? Time for the truth.

I really don't care anymore.

There are WAY better weapons than the Bozar that no one on this forum even mentions, touches, or gets a bad reputation. Its all Medicine Gun, Lucky, Chance's knife, blah blah blah. Honestly its like...."whatever" at this point. If ONE weapon out of over 150 or so doesn't suit you, whatever. No one's forcing you to use it. And you shouldn't force yourself to use it because of popularity or reputation. Or practicality.

It could probably be an overpowered weapon and people would STILL complain how it makes the game too easy.

This weapon is honestly for people that want variety in their style. If you're more for practicality, I suggest you skip this weapon. But I like it. I kill enemies just as easily as with an Avenger. And that's all that matters to me.

That's the cool thing about this game. No weapon is ultra-strong that everyone gravitates towards it. But the game is easy enough that you'll do well with most weapons you come across. And this weapon is no exception.

Damn, my ideas are randomly scattered.

No that's exactly WHY I'm asking.

Experience tells me that these weapons are well balanced, and that your ideal weapon is highly subjective and dependent on your SPECIAL and perks.
However, logic tells me that you're basically nerfing yourself down from an LMG, since it's not practical enough to use at long range and it's damage is lower than the LMG.

I was asking because my experience suggested to me that there must be a SPECIAL/Perk/Trait combination that does quite well with this gun, but I've failed to find it, or find a situation where you'd want the Bozar instead of the basic LMG.

The Bozar is actually reasonably effective at all of those distances with the right ammo. The Bozar's strength is its versatility. It's a weapon that can do everything you describe. Not as well as something specialized to that range bracket, but it can save you some serious weight. Carrying an AMR/.308 rifle + Brush Gun/SR + Lucky/ALSID + Shotgun (+ SMG/LMG?) takes up a lot more pounds than just the bozar, and it also means you have to carry many different types of ammo. .50/.308, 12.7/.45-70, .357/.45, and shotgun shells/10mm/5.56mm. Worse, a lot of those rounds (.50 and 12.7 especially) are rare and expensive, while the Bozar's 5.56 is cheap and available everywhere.

With the Bozar, you can carry just oodles of 5.56 and still be effective. This is more of a concern for hardcoe than softcoe, admittedly, but then, real men play hardcoe anyway. The Bozar is especially useful for the initial excursion to Zion, since you can't carry much weight at all on the way in, so you need something that's versatile over a dozen different guns for every range bracket and situation. It's also pretty useful for loot runs into the divide, again, since it's versatile so you don't need to waste carry weight on a half dozen different guns.

The scope + match ammo + crouching means at long range you've got an automatic sniper to plug enemies with lots of bullets before they can reach you. It's also pretty effective vs medium armored targets like NCR troops, Marked Men, or Legion mooks at these ranges. It's not as effective at long range as a true sniper rifle, but it's a lot more useful at close range than, say, Christine's gun or the AMR or what not, so it balances out. It's not totally worthless at long range like the LMG is.

At medium range the automatic fire comes into its own, letting you pump a good number of bullets into anything that approaches. At this range, AP ammo becomes workable. With AP ammo (which is dirt cheap and available just about everywhere), you've got something that'll outright ignore the DT of nearly everything that isn't power armor or wearing a suit of NCR ranger combat armor + helmet. Better, its reload rate is like lightning, especially with the rapid reload perk. Sure the Medicine Stick might do a lot more damage and might be better at mid range than the Bozar, but misses with the Bozar are a lot more forgiving in terms of cap expenditure, and it takes a lot less time to reload. Helpful if there's more than a handful of enemies around.

At close range Bozar loses out to the LMG with its massive magazine, or to the SMGs that are lighter... Buuuuut, it's still workable there, being a reasonably high DAM automatic weapon with a thirty round mag. And unlike those other guns, it's effective at something other than very short range.

The Bozar won't outdo an AMR for nailing hard targets at extreme range, and it won't outdo an LMG at close in spraying and praying/cazador control. But it will do either of those tasks well enough without being nearly useless outside its range bracket.



The Bozar is one gun (and it doesn't weigh too much if you've got that heavy weapon weight reducing perk from DM) that can perform capably in every range bracket while using entry level ammo versus a minimum of three different guns that individually perform better in their range bracket but are less useful outside it, all of which use different ammo types that are more expensive and rarer, and often heavier.