"These people are saying this gun is bad."
"Nerf this sh-t to hell and people will stop caring."
"Should we nerf any other poten-"
"NO."
"K."
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"Why are they complaining the sniper svcks? We just patched it!"

I assume the Assault Carbine is going to be given 0.5 spread and 300 DPS too. I don't like this style of balancing. Only company I know that can balance a group of firearms properly is DICE (makers of recent Battlefield games).

The Sniper still works as a sniper, but not the battle rifle it was. The assault carbine needs a buff because it is pitiful for a 75 Gun weapon

The Battlefield games have significantly less variety in weapons, skills perks, enemy types, and statistics overall. Tuning weapons in an RPG can be very time consuming and difficult because of all of the variables involved. F:NV's weapons range from a Silenced .22 Pistol to a Tesla Cannon to a Ballistic Fist and are used by characters levels 1 to 30+ against creatures as insignificant as a Bloatflies to Deathclaw Alpha Males to Nightkin to BoS Paladins in power armor.

Modifying weapons is done based on statistical comparisons and also the practical realities of how the weapons perform in the game in various environments. The latter part is subjective and depends not only on my personal testing and the experiences of internal testers but also the experiences and feedback of endusers on this board. I can't rely wholly on my own judgment (a few million people have more practical feedback), nor can I base tuning purely on numbers in a spreadsheet. There are things that I chose to add into F:NV that make tuning much more difficult. Specifically, DT and ammo subtypes. I thought it was worth adding these elements in spite of the tuning difficulties they introduce because they add more depth to game play. The best I can do at this point is continue to read feedback and consider it for the future.

I am so glad to know that it isn't done based on the opinions of just a few people on these boards!

Agreed. We would be having patches every 2 days, which would get old on both sides.

y didn't u read my post about console users needing more options :sadvaultboy:

Bro points to Obsidian for responding.

On the topic of balancing, lever-actions. Are you doing anything about them?

I hear that they are lowering RoF (Much needed) and increasing spread (Less needed but good)

If you want that kind of answer, go talk with Microsoft and Sony

Obsidian has nothing to do with it

Somewhere in one of these threads I guess I need to make an explaination, and I guess here is good enough, as it will tie into the topic.

I'm changing the stats on the guns in my game because I want them to act like I feel they should and, quite frankly, since I'm on PC, I can. I'm not asking for anyone else to jump on the bandwagon or for Josh to change anything. I don't even know if Josh is still involved enough to make any changes or if he's moved on to another project. Some folks have expressed similar or related feelings as I do, and some have even expressed interest in the work I'm doing. I have no Idea if what I'm doing will work correctly (I did fix the error on the shotguns. Much better now) or even if it does whether I'm even remotely interested in releasing a mod. My well developed sense of conservation of energy may get in the way of supporting something like that. But basically I'm just playing with things because I feel like it.

Now there's a whole bunch of ya'll that can't. You either don't know the GECK (as if I know it, right?) or don't have the time, or the firearms experience or aren't even on PC. Those folks, if they're dissatisfied with the product have only one choice: An update. Will there be any more changes to the base guns in future updates? Hell if I know. Should there be? That's up to Josh or whoever else is in charge to decide. Maybe there are enough folks asking for changes that something may happen. Do I care if there's another patch on guns? Not really. I have that luxury.

But if anyone asked me what should be done in any future patch, I'd answer this:

1. Reduce the ROF and increase the spread on lever-action weapons (including the shotgun)
2. Change either the Sniper Perk or the Cowboy perk so that the lever-actions don't vastly outclass the military arms when Cowboy is taken.
3. Don't change the damage of the military weapons, but put DT bypass back into all the high velocity rounds.
4. Do something with explosives. There are no close-in weapons in this class and that and the poor damage of some weapons make this a difficult class to specialize in. Since the skill point economy is so frugal, I have yet to make any character that has the luxury of putting points into 2 weapons skills. But something that makes this a viable specialization would be welcome.


If anyone asked me what I would like to see in future DLC, I'd answer this:

1. More mods for the base game weapons that don't have 3.
2. More mods for the base game weapons that don't have 3.
3. More mods for the base game weapons that don't have 3.

Edit: Forgot one thing that does really bug me. Remove that redonkulous sneak attack damage multiplier.
-Gunny out.

Wow, the big Dogs had to come through and address this question/compalint...

This. Thank you .46ACP.

I'm glad we have Gunny, honestly, from what I saw, he out gun-nut-ed JE Sawyer and I think that's what we'll get in the patch. Hopefully.

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