I still have trouble at lvl 30 with 100 Energy Weapons against Deathclaws and Super Mutants. The only way I killed the Legendary Deathclaw was because it got stuck in a rock.

Is better than enemies every 3 minutes in your butts

I believe the real question is that now all of NV's has went down how many people returned thier copy.

Four or Five of my friends and I returned NV already (Out of eight... I convinced all of them to get F3 and we helped eachother out with stuf, told eachother how to get to cool loot etc.) and I doubt that we're alone on it. I believ reading somewhere that the number of people who returned Vegas was well over 5% of the copies sold (somewhat unaccurate figures).

I will never play Newq Vegas again, yet I'm still playing F3.

It's weird; I remember when F3 came out that a lot of people complained it was underpopulated. I messed around with it a few weeks ago and still had long periods of empty wasteland. I think people tend to exaggerate the frequency of encounters in F3.

Dario, if you weren't referring to F3, my apologies. In the general context of the thread I assumed you were.

And you don't think a bunch of people returned their copies of F3?

no, there was no reason to return a fun game

But what about all the people who did return Fallout 3?

(I got a wonderful idea, how about we quit arguing about what game sold better, who took what game back, and just get this thread locked, it's causing nothing but trouble anyway.)

Fantastic idea.

You thought it was fun, but not everyone did. There's always someone out there who gets bored with x game and takes it to their local Gamestop.

Or give it to the less fortunate

bah get off your high horse haha, you were one of the ones arguing

also yea i'll admit there is more freedom in new vegas, but not THAT much more.

once i'm level 20 i have all the good weapons and enough good perks to deal with even the toughest enemies, the deathclaws are only in certain areas and once you know exactly how to stay of reach its just a matter of taking em out from far away and usually on a rock or piece of equipment, like in the quarry, for closeup, use the multiplas rifle with some psycho, but from farther away, i just use the hunting rifle, or sniper rifle or gauss rifle, one of those 3 usually from distances, deathclaws you don't want suprising you or else its not good. you need tons of meds lol.

for me the lack of content and just super static gameworld is gamebreaking, new vegas was ok for a month or two but its just so predictable every time, and the desert is super empty it doesn't have nearly enough decent locations, you're out in the open wherver you are, very little cover anywhere, it needed like 3 times more stuff on the map, more towns, more buildings, better terrain, on the entire bottom half of the map especially instead of those huge barren dry lakes, all that space wasted, its just so empty there is no reason to travel around the map. so i'm done with the game, their dlc sales aren't gonna be all that great.

You know, that could go for Fallout 3 aswell.

And not just could, but does. After level 10, or so, in FO3 everything turns upside down after a somewhat promising start (approx levels 1-5) where things were still a threat. The abundance of supplies is so overwhelming that one can just stand still, spam stims and hold down the trigger even with the toughest of enemies hitting you.

Yep. And I killed a Behemoth on level 8 with a chinese assault rifle, without using any drugs. I just ran backwards and fired. You just need a lot of ammo. The mutie will never hit you.

No I don't actually, New Vegas was broing and predictable and when people started to get bored of things in Fallout 3 they just walekd into the watseland and found a place to loot or an enemy to kill, NV doens't have that hook either.



This. And don't say NV was a fun game.



Yeah well I'd bet an arm that NV was returned by people who like exciting games, the only people who probably would return F3 were people who disliked fun, exciting games. And there aren't many people like that.



This.

I have PS3 and I won't even stick around with the game to see if the DLCs are good. I'll just come here and ask somebody.



Not true. (unless you use mods) It's very difficult to find supplies until level 14, level 20 on the first couple of playthroughs.

In F3 I had only about 6 stimpacks at a time but in Vegas I had 40 stimpacks at level 8, had killed a ton of the enemies including cazadores, and beat every mission except for the fight at Hoover Dam. Vegas was so easy.

I call BS. With simple ambush tactics I could kill anything in Fallout 3 with 10mm Pistol at lvl 5m NV didn't let me get away with that.

Well in FNV the enemies arent even scaled to you. they just put them at one level and leave it at that. Like the super mutant i fought at Rabbit springs that was VERY tough and was godlike.

Whoa! I say whoa there!

This is only one post that I'm picking out as an example - I'm noticing a disturbing trend in this particular thread overall. It needs to stop before things go even more downhill.

We are really losing all sense of subjectivity with phrases like "don't say NV was a fun game," and "Yeah well I'd bet an arm that NV was returned by people who like exciting games, the only people who probably would return F3 were people who disliked fun, exciting games. And there aren't many people like that."

When you state an opinion as if it were somehow in any way, shape or form possible for it to be construed as anything resembling a solid fact - that's when threads start going sour.

This poster may not have found NV to be a fun game. This poster may not have found it exciting. These are opinions. They ought to be stated and phrased as such. If for no other reason than to make it known that you guys, at least, understand that you're only stating your own personal opinion - and don't actually expect anyone else to believe that what your saying is to be taken as an objective truth.

Yes true. Been there done that. Without mods (which I don't even like to use). And on my first runthrough (at which time I was still enthusiastic about the game, and waiting for it start delivering at any moment - which it didn't in the end). It's really not very difficult to find supplies after the first few levels as they are practically scattered all over the place. That was one of my initial gripes, that I was handheld and cuddled all the way though the game - except for the few first levels I mentioned.


You sure were in a hurry to finish the game (if you're not exaggerating out of sheer will of wanting to outscore the opposing front - "I was level thee and a half with 10000 stims and everything done and killed in Fallout 3 just before the ending of the MQ, so easy it was" /sarcasmic example). With that pace, did you ever bother actually pay any attention to what you were doing (not that not doing so would be wrong)?

That was my second plathyough, on my first I was level 30 and had about 10 more locations to discover...

Not trying to gang up on someone, but I do indeed smell a bit of hypocricy from his posts too. :confused:

Really its not hard to find the locations hell there very easy. There the most obvious and simple.