If the NCR ends up pushing east so much that they end up encountering the East Coast BoS, how will they do against the Brotherhood? I assume it would take them a while to make their way there, and if given enough time, the East Coast BoS could have Liberty Prime up and running again. Liberty Prime was unstoppable against the Enclave, and the only reason they destroyed him was due to an orbital bombardment. If the Enclave couldn't hold them, how could the NCR possibly do so?

Because the eastern brotherhood is different and now seperate from the western brotherhood.....I dont see why they would be forced to fight.....

The Eastern Brotherhood is not a superpower. I don't understand why everybody thinks they are. They are in no better shape than the West. The East has a problem with numbers, just like the West. The NCR outnumbers them at least 100 to 1. Sure Liberty Prime is cool and stuff, but what happens when the NCR gets fed up and just flys a vertibird into it.

From what I can see, the NCR is plauged by officers that dont do anything descisive, and have a supply train that is already stretched to it's limits. I think the NCR, IF they even managed to defeat the legion in the mojave, Would suffer from constant loss of troops and supplies. They are moving too far, too fast. I think they eventually will be forced back more inwards again towards california, espescially if they keep annexing territories who dont want to be.

Reasons the NCR Would Fail:
-Stretched supply lines
-Annexing areas that dont want to be
-Lack of sufficient troops, and few joining from areas mentioned above
-Leadership who refuse to send said troops and supplies (even if they have them)
-Innability for commanders to solve own problems,and stupidity when they try (When they ask a guy wearing a dead ranger's armor to operate on their soldiers, when he has no medical experience)-
-many enemies (I.E. Kings, legion, Khans, Fiends, Vipers, Etc)
-lack of safe supply lines
-Lack of set front lines, a war cant be won on the defensive...

Sorry, I dont think the NCR are going much farther than vegas. I think the east coast brotherhood has the ability to TURN into a superpower because of the increased equipment, salvaged Enclave gear, increased recruitment, supplies, and water. I think they have the ability to be a key player in the future, and they wont be too happy to find out what (might) have happened to their other Bos Detachments with the NCR

I support the enclave, who hopefully control chicago and have figured out that Actually rebuilding america...is a much better plan. I.E. Autumn (but I doubt it and that is off topic haha)

fThe NCR is struggling to hold their non core-region territories (Such as Hoover Dam) as it is. To encounter the EBOS they're going to have to get though Ceasars' legion and the MWBOS, along with any other currently undeclared powered along the way, and hold that terrritory.

The NCR simply doesnt have the resources to do that at the moment, and is a long way from being able to get this power. As such, any contact between the NCR and EBOS doesn't even have the slightest chance heating up into a conflict. I can see some diplomatic conflict, but there's litte of common interest at the moment.

Now the NCR and the MWBOS is going to be an interesting, and probably inevitable conflict.

I agree with this. MWBoS are canon they have been talked about in FO3. For those that don't know about them. Think Western BoS but they let outsiders join. They also let the Super Mutants that went east after the Master died join as well as ghouls. Then there is the calculators army that they take control of.

Also just because the legion fails to take the Dam and take control of vegas (Good Ending) does not mean they are destroyed as a faction. The Legions true power is in Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado.

Then there are the unknown powers that could also be in the midwestern states.

So if NCR ever makes it to DC they have one hell of a fight to get there. They have to take out the Legion, deal with the large MWBoS and any other unknown powers.They just don't have the power to get to DC any time soon like agent C has said.

Another factor to include is that NCR is having trouble keeping itself together and they only control California, Oregon and Nevada. Unless they get their stuff together they might just break apart into powers of their own. Civil war type stuff. Or they start giving each state they take back its own government which leads to secession. "War, war never changes."

I'd go a bit further. The MWBOS recognise that they're the big boy in their sandbox and aren't afraid to throw their weight around to get what they want from the weak - Supplies, Tech, Recruits.

I agree with that as well. Since the end of Fallout Tactics I can't help but think what would happen if they ever join up with the western bos. Since then FO3 just lets us know there is a MWBoS. Then there is the fallout that will not be named says that they went to Texas and as far north as Canada. I like to think that they have gone north and south avoiding any contact with other bos chapters because they are the only group yet to let in outsiders and mutations. They still act like western bos. They go after tech and they kill to get it. They could even be more extreme then the western bos because they have work/death camps "gulags."

Well, the Eastern BoS appears a a super power for two main reasons.

A. Fallout 3 (DLC excluded) takes place in the DC area and its outskirts, where as New Vegas takes place in a good bit of the Vegas outer areas. So the EBoS as it stands has nowhere to be spread thin since they only occupy DC proper and AAF outside of DC

B. New Vegas, being presented in a wider radius of space, it properly shows how NCR is spreading itself far to thin, where as I said in Point A, the BoS in DC are able to fill up alot of DC, seeing how F3 is in only the DC area, one could be fooled to believe the DC and Mojave on FNV are the same size, but I'd say for game purposes the Mojave is scaled down (yet in terms of lore, it's still a huge radius).

I hope Im making sense :laugh:

Sure the NCR is spread thin, but they have infrastructure and the best military in the world (that we know of). Few can withstand the full might of the NCR army.

But the problem is that when you are spread thin, you cant get reinforcements, and if you do, it means some defensive point will suffer a weakness.

If the NCR gets breached, they will send the full might of their army and mop the enemy up.

The NCR will triumph, as long as they manage to defeat or integrate the Brotherhood in the west, I jolly well hope the Western Brotherhood realises what's good for them, I mean, who could go on and worship technology like they do, they're not idiots. *sigh* if only more members of the brotherhood in the west were like Veronica or even Elder Lyons.

Elder Lyons is an idiot. Why is he sending his men into D.C? Its like sending a snowball into hell.

NCR has no hope when they reach the great lakes mirelurk kingdom >_<

Piffle, Once the super mutants are cleared (which will come sooner than later thanks to the assumed destruction of Vault 87) D.C. will become a piece of cake as long as they work in tandem with Rivet City.

And leave other key positions vunerable? That's very very unlikely, they would just cut their losses, and say 'bad luck chaps'

Because Lyons assumed the D.C. Ruins was where the Super Mutants were coming from, prior to the discovery of Vault 87. He thought the Super Mutants that were ranging beyond the Ruins were leaving not arriving.


As for the NCR - Too Big, Too Fast.

Or perhaps it would be better to say the Post-Apocalyptic world is unable to support our modern concepts of a country. Even with the thousands of lives lost to the Legion and the Brotherhood, the NCR is still facing a Overpopulation Problem that will lead to starvation within a decade. That overpopulation also resulted in them seizing Hoover Dam in the first place, to generate the power needed for their own cities (Keep in mind, The Mojave's only getting the bleed off. All the juice is going back to California), and the Followers also remark that medical treatment leads to longer lives, which ultimately eat into the available supply of Pre-War Medicines.

The NCR is a bootstrap Civilization, using Pre-War advantages to jury rig a Empire. Their eyes are far bigger then their stomachs and unless they pull back and digest what they've already taken they'll explode. Or worse, turn to aggressive expansionism. The NCR could push deeper and deeper into the bombed out US, trying to outrun its own demise by seizing as much farm land, Pre-War Tech, Medicine, etc as they can get their hands out, but each time they do they become larger yet and cannot handle the constant strain.

One way or another, unless something breaks their way, the NCR's in a lot of trouble in a few years.

Would be a nice change of pace to meet a new Enclave who aren't eyeroll worthy in their ebilness. They could be a draconian imitation of the pre-war American government and I think that could really work.

On topic: Won't happen. Wouldn't be at all realistic. There is a lot of land between California and D.C. (ever driven on I-40?), so it's really unlikely the NCR will even send scouts that far out.

Vegas is 2500 miles from DC. It'll be decades...if not a century or two....before the EBoS and the NCR are in a position where they'll be able to have, much less sustain, a war with each other. Most likely, by the time they expand that way in earnest they will find other powers between them. If Ashur wasn't killed by the LW in the canon, the Pitt will be problem enough for the EBoS in 20 years or so as it begins to make use of it's industrial might to expand.

It's hard to tell since Bethesda made the Eastern BoS really overpowered while Obsidian hit the NCR with the nerf bat.

The Eastern BoS is very efficient, they have access to plenty of Enclave tech, they can research new tech, and they're willing to recruit outsiders. They can become a very powerful force within a few decades. The NCR on the other hand seems to have stagnated despite having a lot of advantages. They have technologically advanced neighbors like San Francisco, Gecko, Vault City, and presumably New Arroyo. There are abandoned military bases and vaults in their territory like Toxic Cave, Sierra Army Depot, and Vault 13. They got plenty of tech in the war against the Brotherhood and they took over Navarro. However, despite all the new tech they should have gotten in the years between FO2 and NV, they really haven't advanced that much. The only new tech they have seems to be the Vertibird and they may have just taken it from Navarro rather than built it themselves. I guess the salvaged power armors count too but they're only slightly better than the advanced combat armors they already had in FO2.

However, I doubt that NCR will have a population problem. NCR's population is still only a fraction of what it used to be in the old world. Hoover Dam generates enough power to serve 1.3 million people. Presumably, people in the post apocalyptic world use a lot less power. Even with the disabled turbines, Hoover Dam probably generates enough power for most of the NCR, especially considering how FO's Hoover Dam is probably more advanced than our Hoover Dam. As for food and water, they have access to plenty of pre-war tech that could make the land more fertile. There are plenty of Vaults around NCR and that means a lot of GECK's. They could also buy the tech from San Francisco and Vault City. Plus it wouldn't be that hard for NCR to implement some population control measures. There were already plenty of condems in FO2.

OSI commented that within a decade there'd be too many people to feed, and the Followers remark that as the quality of life improves, the more medical supplies a person consumes, and the Followers will eventually run out of Pre-War Hospitals to raid.



Vault 34 tried that, and we see how that turned out.

They think that there might be too many people to feed. They're researching ways to fix that problem. Plus as I mentioned before, NCR has access to vaults, some of which have GECK's. They have technologically advanced neighbors like San Francisco and Vault City from whom they could buy the tech to make land more arable.

The Followers can't make medical supplies, NCR can. There's even a quest where you can help the Followers by making a deal with the Atomic Wrangler and have them help the Followers make medical supplies.



Except you can't compare the NCR with Vault 34. 34 had all sorts of crap at the expense of living areas. Everyone in the Vault was armed. People were rioting because they weren't allowed to blow stuff up. More importantly, we don't know how they tried to control the population.

The NCR doesn't need to implement draconian measures to stop population growth. They can do some very reasonable things like create an ad campaign or pass out condems at medical facilities or even government facilities.

They only cant make them in NV as they don't have the equipment, they most certainly have the knowledge. Given them a still or two and they'll be in business.

With everything your player does in Vegas, the NCR should have averted the problems for the time being and if any future DLC put's you back in california there may be a better look at the
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