How would one go about killing a god? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:14 am

Would they need to build a gate? Would they need to do a ritual? Note that I am trying to kill Akatosh, if that help at all.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:30 am

to kill Akatosh you simply need to ascend to godhood, and they'll be a dragonbreak. However, being such a large spirit with so many assistants (Jills) He reforms quite fast.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:07 am

Kill Akatosh? :rofl:

Destroy time?

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:39 am

Killing a god is one thing. Making sure they don't come back is another.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:56 pm

to kill Akatosh you simply need to ascend to godhood, and they'll be a dragonbreak. However, being such a large spirit with so many assistants (Jills) He reforms quite fast.

So then I wouldn't have to kill him? I could alter the future by causing another Dragon Break? I need to alter the future, so what would I need to do to do this? Kill Akatosh? Ascend to godhood?

NOTE: This is for a mod I'm making, btw.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:02 am

Killing a god is one thing. Making sure they don't come back is another.

That is not truly killing them, now, is it? If by kill, Nextmastermind means destroy an avatar or temporarily disable Akatosh, then killing Akatosh is possible. If by kill, Nextmastermind means destroy entirely by severing Akatosh's soul and ensuring he can never manifest himself again, then killing Akatosh is not really achievable.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:04 am

That is not truly killing them, now, is it? If by kill, Nextmastermind means destroy an avatar or temporarily disable Akatosh, then killing Akatosh is possible. If by kill, Nextmastermind means destroy entirely by severing Akatosh's soul and ensuring he can never manifest himself again, then killing Akatosh is not really achievable.

I don't know if I want to kill him. I just want to create an alternate universe/timeline.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:33 pm

I've never even thought about this.

It's inconcievable

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:50 am

That is not truly killing them, now, is it? If by kill, Nextmastermind means destroy an avatar or temporarily disable Akatosh, then killing Akatosh is possible. If by kill, Nextmastermind means destroy entirely by severing Akatosh's soul and ensuring he can never manifest himself again, then killing Akatosh is not really achievable.

I'd personally use the word "destroy" or "annihilate" to describe total destruction, leaving "kill" to describe the less extreme, much more common scenario.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:39 pm

Ha! If you killed one of the aedra, you may as well kiss Mundus good bye. That is, if you could even ascend to godhood, and the gods have a hard time telling their dead, just look what Shor keeps doing!. Maybe if you had a death star you could, or were the godhead, in which case you're everything.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:23 am

I don't know if I want to kill him. I just want to create an alternate universe/timeline.

That's easy. Stir up another Dragon Break. However, if you want to hurt Akatosh and sever his bond to his worshippers, depriving him of acknowledgement, and therefore, severly weakening him and, if you follow one book's suggestion, reverting him back to a basic, weakened form that is typical of forgotten gods, then follow the example of Umaril. He attacked followers of the Nine. Destroy the worship of Akatosh and all memory of him and you will have, in a sense, killed him, even if he might still exist.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:02 pm

How do I create another Dragon Break? Do I have to ascend to godhood? If so, how do I do that?

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:45 am

Creating another universe or timeline? May as well destroy everything and start all over. Ask Mehrunes Dagon how that is going, just don't be surprised if he ends up wanting you more than dead.

Breaking Akatosh sometimes works as a cheap quick fix. Ask Akatosh about the Numidium, then chat up Talos, and Vivec about what they did.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:36 pm

Creating another universe or timeline? May as well destroy everything and start all over. Ask Mehrunes Dagon how that is going, just don't be surprised if he ends up wanting you more than dead.

Huh? Couldn't I just cause another Dragon Break?

And what's this about Mehrunes Dagon? Didn't he just try to take over Tamriel?

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:38 am

Huh?

The whole purpose of Mehrunes Dagon is to, quite literally, destroy EVERYTHING. Here's why:
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml Read part 1

As for another Dragon Break, they sometimes come with mixed results sometimes. Vivec had the success to make it so he was always a god. Talos became the new Shezzar. The Numidium caused a whole lot of ruckus, causing parts of the ending of DF to occur all at once. I'd say another dragon break was when the CoC became Sheogorath, because by becoming Sheogorath when there was one before, the CoC was Sheogorath all this time (or at least what I believe and what Dragon Break trends tend to show)

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:55 am

How do I create another Dragon Break? Do I have to ascend to godhood? If so, how do I do that?

1. Get a job with Bethesda

2. Convince Bethesda to give TES V several different possible endings

3. Convince Bethesda to make all of those endings canon in TES VI

4. There you have it, your very own Dragon Break.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:52 am

1. Get a job with Bethesda

2. Convince Bethesda to give TES V several different possible endings

3. Convince Bethesda to make all of those endings canon in TES VI

4. There you have it, your very own Dragon Break.

Not what I meant...

@Hellmouth - Thanks. I'll give it a read.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:11 pm

Basically, to cause a Dragon Break, one must attempt to do something of great power. Bethesda never made a real criteria, that I know of, though.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:18 am

Basically, to cause a Dragon Break, one must attempt to do something of great power. Bethesda never made a real criteria, that I know of, though.

Other than causing a whole lot of headache, and convoluted processes. Best thing to do, look at the other dragon breaks and make something up that's somewhat in line of the others.

Killing a god though? Abandon that line of thinking, even Mannimarco with this ascension couldn't remove Arkay. Even when the Imperials ignored Shezzar and removed him from their pantheon, he still ran around.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:00 pm

Basically, to cause a Dragon Break, one must attempt to do something of great power. Bethesda never made a real criteria, that I know of, though.

Hm...But what could I do (in a mod) that would be powerful enough to cause a dragon break?

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:29 am

Hm...But what could I do (in a mod) that would be powerful enough to cause a dragon break?

which game, oblivion or morrowind?

If Morrowind, make an alternate ending where the Nerevarine taps the heart of Lorkhan in order to become a god, or something...

If Oblivion, I dunno, something involving white gold and really flashy effects and a bit of scripting.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:39 am

Hm...But what could I do (in a mod) that would be powerful enough to cause a dragon break?

Make up a powerful artifact and have several people try to use it at the same time with at least one of them attempting to ascend to godhood?

That seems to work with two known dragon breaks.

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:09 pm

Hm...But what could I do (in a mod) that would be powerful enough to cause a dragon break?

Something game changing.

Examples:
* The Numidium being released (completely destroyed afterwards, no use looking for pieces, since they're likely scattered all over the bay area of Daggerfall and Highrock)
* The Tribunal playing around with the Heart of Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar (Heart is gone, no use looking for it, unless this is MW you are talking about)
* The Champion of Cyrodiil becoming Sheogorath (most likely case. Don't expect other Daedra Princes being so nice.)
* What the Maruhkati Selective did (most likely)

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:23 pm

which game, oblivion or morrowind?

If Morrowind, make an alternate ending where the Nerevarine taps the heart of Lorkhan in order to become a god, or something...

If Oblivion, I dunno, something involving white gold and really flashy effects and a bit of scripting.

Morrowind, but I want to make it a sort of unofficial expansion if you will.

@Seti - I was thinking something along the lines of gather artifacts to create your own plane of Oblivion. Surely that would be god status-worthy?

» Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:26 am

Morrowind, but I want to make it a sort of unofficial expansion if you will.

@Seti - I was thinking something along the lines of gather artifacts to create your own plane of Oblivion. Surely that would be god status-worthy?

Play around with the heart then. The Tribunal did it, and Vivec made it so he was always a god before he tapped the heart. In the case of trying to make your own plane of Oblivion, the whole plan of the villain in the TES book is centered around that, or something similar.