Now, this is all completely hypothetical, and I'm not considering doing this. But I want to know, and this is directed more towards those who have played FO 1 & 2 before, how would you feel if somebody created a mod for Fallout 3 that recreated the environments (towns, dungeons, etc.) of both games into 3D, no different than what Fallout 3 looks like? Let's just ignore the issues that would arise with a mod like this, and just pretent that the mod was successfully created. What would your reaction be?

If that would be done, I would enjoy a lot exploring the areas in 3D. But I wouldn't "play" the mod. Only explore it.

Fallout 3's game mechanics are way too different than Fallout 1 for me to fully enjoy playing with such a project.

I had no choice but to vote for the second option: "Terrible".

Terrible in terms of gameplay, but if, let's say, the project would have recreated the whole wasteland and the towns with new meshes and textures that match the originals, I'd spend numerous days walking around the place, looking at things.

I added a new option, but to do it I had to reset the poll. I forgot to add a "decent" option, as I figured most would be going for the "sinful" option anyway. :shrug:

That would be great, but only if every single feature/quest/dialogue option is included.
I will be less critical about meshes/textures.

I would actually feel indifferent (which wasn't among the poll choices so I went for the middle one )

EDIT: and then the poll was changed so my vote disappeared :turtle: (it was the "terrible" one)


You understand of course that the differences between Fo1/2 and FO3 aren't limited in the 'amount of dimensions' and the positioning of the camera...
Each game is designed a certain way so that its world, its graphics, skill system, controls, its overall gameplay etc. are combined and complement each other in order to achieve a desirable result.
Which means that each big and little thing, like, for example, the 'isometric' view of Fallout 1 is an important element that makes the game what it is.

I suppose you might be proposing a proper remake of the early games - which would require a lot of tweaking to work, including a complete redefining of the skill system for instance, which might eventually work, but it would completely cover FO3 to do so. I wouldn't be interested in that though... I have the originals, they work just fine. Well if it was a free mod I might give it a shot, though I'd expect that it'd be 'inferior' to all 3 games - as it would be built on the wrong foundation.

Otherwise if you are proposing a more 'conventional' mod, that would stick to a simple recreation of the early games' world and quests, I would be as interested in it as I am of every other FO3 mod (which, I admit, isn't much at all). And I would actually expect it to fail in several different areas - it might be too easy or too hard, too fast, too boring, too small etc.

I wouldn't think of making a mod like this, don't worry. Even if I wanted to, and had the skills to do so, I'm pretty sure it would violate some copyright at some point.

I believe that there is a mod underway to do this already...


http://fallout3mod.com/

Well after reading some of the news on that site, it appears that they aren't using any assets from the previous games, so that's good. No legal issues there. Hopefully they manage to recreate the entire game, down to the original gameplay mechanics and skill mechanics, or else it might not be very successful among fans of the actual games.

But I'd certainly like to see them succeed with it.

My opinion is like Cliffworms', only I voted 'it would be interesting' to explore the gameworld.

I'm with the exploration guys; Fallout wasn't designed to be played like Fallout 3, and playing an exact copy of Fallout for a completely different game would feel awkward, and wrong.

Seems like it would be fun. Fallout 3 engine with the story and events of Fallout 1. I know some people have been working on minor mods.. hell, I recreated Vault 13/15 myself. Wasn't hard since they are so small. That would be the main problem.. with the speed of gameplay in Fallout 3, the original maps are too quickly traversed.

Not really, Fallout 1/2's environments are actually larger than Fallout 3's on average. The FO 1/2 environments only seem smaller since Fallout 1/2 have isometric cameras and Fallout 3 has ground level cameras.

It'd have to be a hell of a mod...
*One that included not just recreated areas, but script hacks to fully recreate dialog, and effects across the gameworld, as well as UI enhancement, repaired building assets (roofs), and ideally a TB combat script.

**I think it could be done ~but few would try (and fewer would succeed).

Actually, since the gameworld is abstracted, (and the vaults could house 1000)... The vaults should all be quite a bit larger in a game with less abstraction in it. In 101, there were doors that you could not enter, and it was assumed that there were other areas of the vault (even though they don't exist in the game). Vault 13 should conceivably fill the inside of the mountain and have more than three floors.

Not really. The vaults, for example, are incredibly small. The cities as well. Something like the Boneyard would barely be the size of Megaton when it should rival D.C.

Junktown is probably the size of two or three Megatons this is to say nothing of Vault City which would probably be the size of five or six Megatons, and Megaton is the only decent sized city in Fallout 3.

It's just a mod, anyway. I might check something like that out, just to see the work they put into it (since it would be quite an undertaking.) But I wouldn't really see any point to actually "playing" a Fallout 1 or 2 mod. Not to mention that it still wouldn't have much in common with what I liked about the original games in the first place...

But hey, just because I wouldn't be interested in it doesn't mean I'd begrudge other people from doing so...

I don't really *want* the games to be recreated in mods, I agree that it wouldn't live up to the originals. But if it happens to be made and finished at some point and you like FO3 you'd be crazy not to play it. It would after all be a large addition to the game, like any other quest mod.

Woulden't care. It's a mod.
Even if I actually could play it I woulden't really care as you can never really re-create the setting and atmosphere.

All in all, it would depend on how well the mod was pesented. If it was made by a group of Fallout Enthusiasts, who have access to good mesh-making programs as well as talanted artists, then it would probably be the must-have mod for Fallout 3. If, however, it was made by a group of newbies who don't know a thing about mod-making... well, disaster.

All in all, that link that was posted leads credit to the Fallout-enthusiast explanation, since any attempt to recreate the two games are major undertakings.

I don't see how such a mod could be anything but inaccurate, considering the massive differences in design and technological limitations between the first two games and F3.

I think that would be awsome, hell I would pay for it.

Would feel like a waste of time.

How would it be inaccurate? If done properly.. i.e. the locations recreated and thequests/dialogue implemented then it could be extremely accurate. Obviously it won't be turn-based and 2D.. but I don't think the goal is to be that. THe goal should be to bring the story and locale from the first games into the engine of the 3rd.

It just http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4o8RrEDWXE

I'm not sure what that video is supposed to prove.