How would you like the Enclave to go out?

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:38 pm

So, say the enclave is on its last stand in a future fallout game. As in, they will finally be only remnants, not a huge force like in FO:3.

Would you like an epic, large scale attack? A political assassination? Or perhaps a truths?

Personally, I would like the Enclave to merge with the BoS and work together for the sake of technology and restoring the wasteland. Heck, maybe they could eventually overthrow the BoS while in it or create a civil war or sabotage. But I'd like a peaceful(somewhat) treaty conference. As for really bad members, they are killed or used as labor.

Anyways, what do you think? How should the Enclave go out of they ever do?

Oh and please, no "enclave rulez Lola bos svckz, or flaming. Also, let's keep it at what if, not oh my jeezus enclave will never die!"

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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:15 pm

They are already nothing but Remnants. So I don't get this topic.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:15 pm

They are already nothing but Remnants. So I don't get this topic.

Really?

Ok....a good portion of them fled project purity and at that crawler. Maybe they banded back together? I'm sure there are still many "semi organized" groups of them out there. Like a few hundred maybe, not a squad of four.

If that's really how they went out, a robot that instantly worked at the attack on purity and the bos armed with lousy pa than those of the enclave, than it sounds rather "meh."
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:31 am

If they are nothing but remnants, how would YOU have liked for them to go out? Or survive?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:06 pm

Well, this is actually something Styles could agree on. Post your Barnaky Ending theory, Styles. It's an interesting read for you YM=MB, unless you've read it already which is why you made this post (merging with MWBoS, causing disarray etc)
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:13 am

Some go into a hole in the ground, inbreed and dieout.

Some try to form a new live doing their own thing like the remnants did in the Core Region.

Some get hunted down by Lyons

Some make it back to Chicago (which logically is only a small outpost(s) with not that many there) and they make an alliance with the MWBoS under Barnaky.

The did do out with a bang three times. Now whats left is going out in a whimper.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:46 am

Well, this is actually something Styles could agree on. Post your Barnaky Ending theory, Styles. It's an interesting read for you YM=MB, unless you've read it already which is why you made this post (merging with MWBoS, causing disarray etc)

My idea as to what happened to the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtXhuaTcohY after the end of Fallout Tactics. Based on the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58

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Way I see it. The MWBoS fight a bloody war against the Super Mutants and then the Calculator. They force settlements to aid them by giving food, ammo and their best and brightest. Many people do join willingly but the BoS treat them as cannon fodder. The Elders let mutations join because they can be very useful in places humans can't due to radiation.

Vault Zero falls to the BoS and Barnaky becomes one with the Calculator. The BoS are happy to have General Barnaky back. There is a push to make him the head Elder of the MWBoS. The famed warrior (you) who is also a General backs the move to make Barnaky the new head elder, which he does become.

He soon recalls all mutations from the BoS armies and orders them back to their home bases were they are disarmed and tagged, later to be sent to work camps. BoS stops letting mutations join. Laws are passed and any mutation within the BoS' territory is to be rounded up and also sent to camps (work/death camps) which are the start of the great betrayal.

Elders that were most against Barnaky becoming head elder are removed from power. Soon purges happen with in the BoS, anyone that was against Barnaky or seen to aid mutations are also sent to the camps, entire settlement get put to the flame. Soon the Mutant Liberation army forms. BoS caravans and outpost get hit, work camps are liberated, the BoS see a dramatic fall in people willing to join the BoS, and they start having desertions.

Human numbers are replaced more and more by calculator robots and more purges follow fearing an inside job. The BoS stop trying to contact the West in order to get their own house in order.

Biggest blow happens when rouge BoS members set off several bombs within Vault Zero in a failed coup d'état. Many of the calculators systems are damaged beyond repair. Barnaky lives but finds has less control over the robotic forces. He can't control them all at once and the ability to make more robots is severely hampered.

Mutant Liberation Army makes allies with what’s left of the Reaver movement and are supplied with EMP weapons. The remaining slaver/raider groups once again become strong and prey on BoS settlements and outposts.

Decades of bloody Guerrilla warfare against the MLA and the predation of other factions (slavers, raiders) have driven the MWBoS back to their remaining strongholds such as Vault Zero and Cities in between Colorado and Chicago.

Lyons and his BoS are sent out to make contact but don't really know where they are, they know the MWBoS went East, they took a path that takes them away from the MWBoS strongholds at Vault Zero and the others in the Midwest. As Lyons gets closer to DC he hears rumors of people that have similar tech and a symbol are in the area. Lyon spends a long time hunting down those rumors. MWBoS fearing that Lyons is just the tip of a larger army coming up from the south west, do what they can to not be found by them.

Lyons is persistent and soon the MWBoS send out a group of their own elders to make contact. They tell Lyons that MWBoS are just a few hundred men and women close to Chicago. Lyons having made contact goes on to the more important mission of heading to DC.

Like the Barnaky ending states it’s a war the Mutant Liberation Army is distended to lose. MWBoS have seen bitter defeat after bitter defeat for generations and are now a shadow of their glory days but time is on their side. Mutations can't reproduce and the ones that don't fall to the BoS will be taken care of by father time.

Humans, including former BoS that sided with the MLA grow tired of fighting, seeing as how they have crippled the MWBoS and liberated much of their territory. Most just want to settle and farm, the threat is all but gone (so they think). After generations of war, less and less of the younger generations take up the fight.

Maybe the MWBoS will find an ally in Augustus Autumn and his advanced tech can help the MWBoS take back what they lost."

"The hard times" I see for the Midwestern Brotherhood is a decades long war with the Mutant Liberation Army combined with a very paranoid General Barnaky that caused people to turn away from the BoS and ever rebel against the BoS. Along with Slavers, Raiders and Reavers rebuilding their power and causing problems.

The Calculator gets damaged so the Robot Army can't be controlled all at once and new Robots take longer to be built. The Brotherhood is forced back to strongholds across the Midwestern United States.

Midwestern BoS can't produce their own PA so not every member gets one. Only the elite get the best weapons and armour. That is fact.

My idea of how Enclave Remnants could play a role as a part of the Midwestern Brotherhood under General Barnaky.

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Enclave would have been worse off than the Midwestern BoS. After the destruction of the Oil Rig and the death of all Enclave leadership but for Eden, much of Enclave moved toward DC, to Raven Rock and Eden. On their way they stop in Chicago, where the Midwestern BoS surround them and make a deal.

The Midwestern Brotherhood, don't know about the Enclave because they left before the events of Fallout 2. They want the Enclave's tech but more so they want the knowledge behind the tech, to save them years of reverse engineering.

“Help us or die where you stand.” The Enclave takes the deal and move on to DC. Only a couple dozen scientists are left behind, which they were going to do any way. The Midwestern BoS give the Enclave supplies and a base in exchange for more advanced tech/weapons. Midwestern BoS make sure they are well guarded.

When Remnants come back from DC after they are once again defeated, they learn more about the Midwestern BoS under Barnaky and their goals. Some see this as a chance to regain some power. A deal is made for Enclave leaders to become elders and the Enclave to remain independent body with in the Brotherhood ranks. Like I.T guys for the Brotherhood.

They help out the scribes and so on developed weapons to fight the enemies of the BoS. The Mutant Liberation army being the most pressing, Enclave leaders now elders start doing what Enclave does best. Become a shadow government with the MWBoS and someday take total control.

Who knows, maybe the Enclave make a deal with Barnaky to help make humanity pure blood again like the Enclave. Maybe that was Augustus' idea all along and why he went against Eden. Maybe he wanted to find a way to make waste landers pure through genetic engineering or breeding. Now he has a willing leader, Barnaky. That is willing to let the Enclave experiment to make humanity pure again, think about it people.

I am not asking for Fallout 4 to be focused on the Midwestern Brotherhood, but we all know there will be BoS somewhere in the game and I want those BoS to be Midwestern Brotherhood under General Barnaky. Even if we don't see General Barnaky, I would like mention of him as well as the Mutant Liberation Army, as well as the events I mentioned.

Having the Enclave remnants as part of it all, is optional.
Also the Calculator army didn’t all come from Vault Zero. The Calculator sent out robot, and they came across pre-war factories as well as a nuclear power plant. Using them the Calculator expanded its army to a large size. The Midwestern Brotherhood destroyed those factories and took the power plant offline.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:20 pm

Ok....a good portion of them fled project purity and at that crawler. Maybe they banded back together? I'm sure there are still many "semi organized" groups of them out there. Like a few hundred maybe, not a squad of four.

Uh, "semi organized" sounds like they're Remnants, which they are. Having a few holdout positions (like Chicago Outpost,) still makes them Remnants since they're not to full combat capability or organization. They're a shadow of their former selves, with some maybe just giving up the life of the Enclave (like many in the West did,) or some just holding out and doing what they can without drawing much attention.

If that's really how they went out, a robot that instantly worked at the attack on purity and the bos armed with lousy pa than those of the enclave, than it sounds rather "meh."

Blame that on Bethesda.

Technically, we should have already seen them as Remnants in FO3, not a full fighting force like we did. But now that we have, they should be nothing but Remnants in the East, just like the West. The Enclave wasn't that big to begin with, but because of Bethesda, they seemed a lot bigger than they were supposed to probably be anyway.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:42 pm

Whatever remains of the Enclave should integrate into more advanced societies, like the Commonwealth, and spread their ideology from there. Colonel Autumn had the right idea - it's just stupid to mass murder everyone when you can just lure them to your side with a glass of water.

After Fallout 3 I don't really care for the Enclave as its own faction, but I hope that its spirit won't die and someone will pick up the beacon and do their best to restore pre-war stability to the Wasteland.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:56 pm

What? They aren't dead already?
I'd rather not see them at all, I'd like to see remnants of the Enclave, I'd like to see that Chicago post as a new faction with new agendas.
But I'd rather not see Enclave at all, not in any form, and especially not in some final stand.
Two times was more than enough, New Vegas battle with the Remnants was the last dose I needed. Time for them to go IMO.
Brush off BOS from Fallout too and have them kick the bucket, on with the new factions and begone with the power armor ones! :twirl:
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:47 pm

What? They aren't dead already?
I'd rather not see them at all, I'd like to see remnants of the Enclave, I'd like to see that Chicago post as a new faction with new agendas.
But I'd rather not see Enclave at all, not in any form, and especially not in some final stand.
Two times was more than enough, New Vegas battle with the Remnants was the last dose I needed. Time for them to go IMO.
Brush off BOS from Fallout too and have them kick the bucket, on with the new factions and begone with the power armor ones! :twirl:

NCR and Legion :shrug:
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:07 am

Aside from out right extermination there really isn't a sudden way for them to go. The remnants will simply fade away either dying out or intergrating into the wasteland. To truly kill the Enclave you need to attack it soul, find something that makes The Enclave the Enclave and expose it to be a lie.

Hypothetical Scenario: The founders of the Enclave intentionally caused Nuclear war in hopes of wiping everyone out accept a chosen few who would rebuild America. Puting primary responsibility for the Great War on the Enclave. They struck first not caring for the billions who would die because the chosen few would survive. Or maybe the pre-war military had a plan to knock out the Chinese's ability to launch a counter strike and that plan failed triggering the launches instead. This could shatter the remnants faith causing them to disperse.

It wouldn't even need to be that are out there. The Enclave claim to descend from the pre-war government. But what if all three branches were annihlated in the great war. And The Enclave infact decended from Vault-Tech executive and military contractors.

You could even build a game around this, your a member of the Enclave and after finding this pipboy with a mysteriously locked data file on it suddenly your death has been ordered and you need to flee for your life. The main quest of the game would then be decoding the file to learn why your former allies want you dead. Then at the end your given the choice to expose the truth and destory the Enclave or cover it up so the organization can survive.

But aside from attacking the soul of the Enclave Fallout 3 already killed them through extermination.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:45 pm

I would have liked them to go out at Navarro personally - especially if it was my version :P - fighting back-to-back to the last against the insurmountable NCR hordes. Hell even a final stand at AFB would have been acceptable if it had been structured like an actual battle - not letting Gamebyro take the fall for this one either, Who Dares Wins was just another Enclave shooting gallery for the LW - but even then the [censored] hacks at Bethesda ruined any chance by making Lyon's give an ambigious musing that he wouldn't be surprised if the Enclave came back one day.

[censored] off.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 5:46 am

I hope they go out in a jet fueld techo party running naked into deathclaws with party hats.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 9:24 am

But... They cant die. They are the reason why im swimming in ammo in fallout 3, i would not want them to go just cause, they are a little paranoid about letting people live.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:23 am

But... They cant die. They are the reason why im swimming in ammo in fallout 3, i would not want them to go just cause, they are a little paranoid about letting people live.

Thats not why they are going away. They are going away cause they had their ass handed to them three times, four if you count Navarro. The Enclave weren't meant to be the recurring villain of the Fallout Series.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 8:09 am

But they were. I dont want my biggest foe to just go away. Its like beating the legion COMPLETELY in new vegas so they would never come again. My loot profit would go down. I gotta pay for my mini nukes somehow right?
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:07 am

Didn't the Fallout 2 intro have them opening up a vault, people coming out then the sight of a minigun firing? How about this in reverse - the Enclave final base, doors kicked in, then just a shot of frag grenades being chucked in?
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 9:02 am

I'm pretty sure Fallout New Vegas was supposed to be their way out.

Let's get real: the Legion isn't canon, and although there's opinions on the matter of course and there are definite good parts of the Legion, as a whole they are "the bad guys." The Enclave basically comes into the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, saves the day and kicks ass to repent for their past evils and then they ride off into the sunset. Seems like a nice note to end it on, no?

Besides, by the next Fallout game, unless it's literally in 2284 or something, then we're really pushing it on their age. Maybe we'll see a different Enclave in Chicago or remnants on the East Coast, but I think the western Enclave already said their goodbyes.
The real faction we should be wondering about how they're gonna say goodbye is the western Brotherhood of Steel, who definitely seems to be on their last leg.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:01 am

I'm pretty sure Fallout New Vegas was supposed to be their way out.

Let's get real: the Legion isn't canon, and although there's opinions on the matter of course and there are definite good parts of the Legion, as a whole they are "the bad guys." The Enclave basically comes into the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, saves the day and kicks ass to repent for their past evils and then they ride off into the sunset. Seems like a nice note to end it on, no?

Besides, by the next Fallout game, unless it's literally in 2284 or something, then we're really pushing it on their age. Maybe we'll see a different Enclave in Chicago or remnants on the East Coast, but I think the western Enclave already said their goodbyes.
The real faction we should be wondering about how they're gonna say goodbye is the western Brotherhood of Steel, who definitely seems to be on their last leg.
All old factions are deing. Hell even NCR wont last that long, and Legion will crumble without Caesars epic leadership. Enclave are not standing as a faction anymore, and BoS, even though they still got a standing force in the capital wasteland, the original west brotherhood is almost completely taken down by NCR. Fallout is changing, and if you ask me siding with NCR and Legion is NOT the right thing to do no matter what. NCR seem like the good guys, and kinda are seeing as there are others that would rather blow you and, melee everypart of your body, and leave u by 5 stacked up c4′s and blow you up just for the LULZ. NCR only take your land, take your money, take your freedom and PROBABLY give you safety in return. Sounds fair to you? Nope.

Anyways talking about Enclave, i would surely wish they werent deying. They are a big part of Fallout, but you just gotta look [censored] in the eye and say, OK [censored] THAT.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:11 pm

They'll nuke the homeland and cleanse the world of it's evils, little did they know, 90% of their own populace was on the homeland or not wearing radiation proof gear so they died. Big BANG out like that.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:46 pm

I'm pretty sure Fallout New Vegas was supposed to be their way out.

Definately was, very obvious. Shame that theu pussed out on the Remnants.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:37 am

I'm pretty sure Fallout New Vegas was supposed to be their way out.

Definately was, very obvious. Shame that theu pussed out on the Remnants.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:11 pm

I'm pretty sure Fallout New Vegas was supposed to be their way out.

Definately was, very obvious. Shame that theu pussed out on the Remnants.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:07 pm

I'm pretty sure Fallout New Vegas was supposed to be their way out.

Definately was, very obvious. Shame that theu pussed out on the Remnants.
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